On 12/23/2013 05:32 AM, Robert Davies wrote:
Hi Dan,
It is possible to brand hawtio [1] - Red Hat used a branded version for JBoss
A-MQ.
Excellent
Though I doubt we could ever meet the full requirements for branding and
control that
was outlined on the Camel dev list [2] - hence its probably easier to just
remove it.
I think you're right.
I’m sure the hawtio folks (I’m not a committer on that project) could help
guide you
in how to add a better support for CXF - their goal is to get hawtio used by as
many people as possible.
Understood.
Hawt.io imho looks like a more elegant console than the original
ActiveMQ one. It's scope is also much broader. However, to be included
in the ActiveMQ distro we need to follow the ASF guidelines, licensing
being only one of the criteria. It is perfectly fine to have 3rd party
tools and extensions (open source or commercial) serving the ActiveMQ
community.
Cheers,
Hadrian
[1] https://github.com/hawtio/hawtio/issues/666
[2]
http://www.opendevs.org/kpqms/git-commit-camel-7023-added-hawtio-goal-to-camel-maven-plugin.html
Rob
On 20 Dec 2013, at 17:42, Daniel Kulp <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 19, 2013, at 12:42 PM, James Strachan <[email protected]> wrote:
but if folks are worried about having a console from a different open
source project inside ActiveMQ we can easily rip it out; it was only added
to try give users a better experience of using ActiveMQ (particularly as
the old-not-really-maintained console sucks ass & is huge).
Ripping it out is certainly one option. Probably not the one I would advocate,
but I’m not on the PMC here (not even a committer) nor on hawt.io and really
don’t have a say.
Personally, I’d like to see a hawt.io (or other) based console here that would
make ActiveMQ a bit more approachable. ActiveMQ is fairly complex and not
having at least some basic console or something that the users can use to see
what is going on could potentially make the “support” burden here even higher.
However, as Chris stated, if there is going to be something here, it would
have to meet Apache’s requirements. Dropping hawt.io directly in obviously
does not. I don’t know enough (well, anything) about hawt.io’s architecture
or internals or anything to know how easy/hard it would be to have a console
here built on top of hawt.io, but fully branded and and controlled and such per
Apache and with the ActiveMQ “plugin” or whatever provide here. There are a
lot of very smart people that are part of hawt.io’s development so I assume
there is some level of plug ability and such there, but I could be completely
wrong. (on a side note, having something outside of hawt.i
o
that could showcase HOW to add a “plugin” to hawt.io would be very useful as an
example to other projects that would like to use hawt.io or add functionality
to hawt.io. I’m actually thinking CXF as CXF has a bunch of things like
security caches and thread pools and such that would be cool to provide better
admin capabilities.)
As I said, I’d strongly prefer (for admittedly selfish reasons) having at least
some basic console provided here. Many users use the web console (evidenced
by questions about it just today on the karaf list) and I know many of our
(Talend’s) customers use it. Maybe if we could create some JIRA’s of some of
the deficiencies in the existing console, that could be something people could
jump in and help out with. Right now, I just see 3 open issues for the
console (one logged today):
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20AMQ%20AND%20component%20%3D%20webconsole%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open
Could we possibly get some basic ideas logged there? Are there bits of
information that are missing that would be relatively easy to add?
Dan
On 19 December 2013 17:17, Chris Mattmann <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Guys,
First let me introduce myself. My name is Chris Mattmann and I'm
currently a member of the Apache board. I took a look at the goings-on
related to the recent change in the web console, where now it appears
the first link on a standard deployment of ActiveMQ and its web console
points to a web console from hawtio.
I don't really have any skin in the game on which company built what, or
who's is better, etc. I have been around the ASF for nearly a decade and
have been through the trials by fire of Lucene, Hadoop, and a number of
the ASF's largest projects.
I *do* however have a problem that the ActiveMQ PMC now is stewarded a
product, *Apache ActiveMQ* wherein which that product ships with a web
console that includes a first link to what appears to me at least to be
a specific company's product *hawtio web console*.
With my Director hat on -- this is unacceptable and needs to be fixed.
So let's discuss how this came about, and what can be done to fix it.
I don't have time and haven't read through all the prior history and
threads, but I'm happy to read through links folks have for me to check
out,
and also happy to help lend a hand towards addressing this. It can be
addressed
in various ways, so let's talk about it.
Cheers,
Chris
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