This discussion seems to have slowed/stopped. Although I don’t think there’s a consensus - it seems moving the old console to a sub-project and making the install optional from the distribution will cover most concerns raised. Unless there’s objections - I’d like to suggest we make this happen asap and get a new ActiveMQ release out - unless we need to vote ?
thanks, Rob On 9 Jan 2014, at 05:09, Matt Pavlovich <m...@pavlovich.com> wrote: > +1 > > On Jan 8, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Dejan Bosanac <de...@nighttale.net> wrote: >>> +1 from me as well. We have Jetty in and it should be easy to hot-deploy >>> any war folks want to use for the web part of the broker. So we can exclude >>> current web demos as well (which already don't start by default), then >>> rework them and allow people to install them on demand. This will allow us >>> to have much leaner broker installation. >>> >>> Regards >>> -- >>> Dejan Bosanac >>> ---------------------- >>> Red Hat, Inc. >>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >>> dbosa...@redhat.com >>> Twitter: @dejanb >>> Blog: http://sensatic.net >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree, this seems like the best approach so far. >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2014, at 23:27, Christian Posta <christian.po...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 @ Claus, Jim, and Tim's thread of the discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Moving the console to a subproject separates the code out enough and >>>>> makes it "less intimidating" to those in the community that would like >>>>> to approach it and contribute. Then have one distro that's "headless" >>>>> with the option of using whatever console one wanted, including quick >>>>> drop in of the old console. Could even distribute a script that goes >>>>> out, d/l the old console and installs it on demand as one sees fit (as >>>>> james mentioned). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Timothy Bish <tabish...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> On 01/06/2014 03:06 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the old web console should be moved into a sub-project of >>>>>>> ActiveMQ. >>>>>>> Other ASF projects like Felix [1], Karaf [2], etc does this with their >>>>>>> web-consoles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That may also make it easier for people to contribute to the >>>>>>> web-console as a sub-project if there codebase is smaller, and not >>>>>>> contains the entire ActiveMQ source code. That may spark a little more >>>>>>> life into the old web-console so people can help maintain it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the standalone ActiveMQ distribution, then installing the old web >>>>>>> console should be an easy step, such as unzipping a .zip file, or >>>>>>> copying a .war / .jar or something to a directory, and allowing to >>>>>>> editing a configuration file to configure the console (port / context >>>>>>> path / or other configurations). Then other 3rd party consoles could >>>>>>> have the *same* installation procedure, so there is even >>>>>>> playing-field. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the embedded ActiveMQ distribution for SMX/Karaf users, its >>>>>>> already easy to install the console, as its just like any other >>>>>>> installation using a feature. This is the same for other 3rd party >>>>>>> consoles, and thus there is already an even playing field. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] - >>>>>>> >>>> http://felix.apache.org/documentation/subprojects/apache-felix-web-console.html >>>>>>> [2] - http://karaf.apache.org/index/subprojects/webconsole.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The old/original console is no longer fit for purpose, it is hard to >>>>>>>> maintain, the source of a lot of security issues [1] over the last few >>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is another thread about using hawtio as the console going >>>> forward, >>>>>>>> and without going into all the gory details it is probably likely >>>> that there >>>>>>>> may be no web console shipped at all in future releases of ActiveMQ. >>>> The JMX >>>>>>>> naming hierarchy was improved for ActiveMQ 5.8, such that its easy to >>>> view >>>>>>>> the running status of an ActiveMQ broker from 3rd party tools such as >>>>>>>> jconsole, visualvm or hawtio. Regardless of the outcome of the other >>>>>>>> discussion [2] - It doesn’t help the ActiveMQ project to try and >>>> maintain a >>>>>>>> static web console any more. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I propose we remove the old web console from the ActiveMQ 5.10 >>>> release - >>>>>>>> thoughts ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-2714?jql=project%20%3D%20AMQ%20AND%20text%20~%20%22XSS%22 >>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>> >>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Default-Web-Console-td4675705.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob Davies >>>>>>>> ———————— >>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc >>>>>>>> http://hawt.io - #dontcha >>>>>>>> Twitter: rajdavies >>>>>>>> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com >>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>> The old console has been a continuous source of bugs and there's not >>>> been >>>>>> much community involvement in maintaining it so it'd be much better to >>>> just >>>>>> remove from the mainline and provide a way for those who really want to >>>>>> contribute to do so without shipping out something that's not as >>>> polished in >>>>>> the main distribution. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tim Bish >>>>>> Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc. >>>>>> tim.b...@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com >>>>>> skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121 >>>>>> blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christian Posta >>>>> http://www.christianposta.com/blog >>>>> twitter: @christianposta >>>> >>>> Rob Davies >>>> ———————— >>>> Red Hat, Inc >>>> http://hawt.io - #dontcha >>>> Twitter: rajdavies >>>> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com >>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Hiram Chirino >> >> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >> >> hchir...@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com >> >> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >> >> blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo
