On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote: > > On Jan 13, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This discussion seems to have slowed/stopped. Although I don’t think there’s >> a consensus - it seems moving the old console to a sub-project and making >> the install optional from the distribution will cover most concerns raised. >> Unless there’s objections - I’d like to suggest we make this happen asap and >> get a new ActiveMQ release >> out - unless we need to vote ? > > > As someone who’s had to struggle to install things behind corporate firewalls > and networks without internet connectivity and such on several occasions, I’d > certainly prefer an “activemq-all” distribution or something that would be > fully complete. Those “no internet” situations always annoy me when I have > some optional thing that I really need at that moment. (yea, I admit, > usually comes down to poor planning on my part) >
Ah no problem. Download the activemq-webconsole zip file and install it offline, just by unzipping it. > Dan > > > >> thanks, >> >> Rob >> >> On 9 Jan 2014, at 05:09, Matt Pavlovich <m...@pavlovich.com> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Dejan Bosanac <de...@nighttale.net> wrote: >>>>> +1 from me as well. We have Jetty in and it should be easy to hot-deploy >>>>> any war folks want to use for the web part of the broker. So we can >>>>> exclude >>>>> current web demos as well (which already don't start by default), then >>>>> rework them and allow people to install them on demand. This will allow us >>>>> to have much leaner broker installation. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> -- >>>>> Dejan Bosanac >>>>> ---------------------- >>>>> Red Hat, Inc. >>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >>>>> dbosa...@redhat.com >>>>> Twitter: @dejanb >>>>> Blog: http://sensatic.net >>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree, this seems like the best approach so far. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jan 2014, at 23:27, Christian Posta <christian.po...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 @ Claus, Jim, and Tim's thread of the discussion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moving the console to a subproject separates the code out enough and >>>>>>> makes it "less intimidating" to those in the community that would like >>>>>>> to approach it and contribute. Then have one distro that's "headless" >>>>>>> with the option of using whatever console one wanted, including quick >>>>>>> drop in of the old console. Could even distribute a script that goes >>>>>>> out, d/l the old console and installs it on demand as one sees fit (as >>>>>>> james mentioned). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Timothy Bish <tabish...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 01/06/2014 03:06 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the old web console should be moved into a sub-project of >>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ. >>>>>>>>> Other ASF projects like Felix [1], Karaf [2], etc does this with their >>>>>>>>> web-consoles. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That may also make it easier for people to contribute to the >>>>>>>>> web-console as a sub-project if there codebase is smaller, and not >>>>>>>>> contains the entire ActiveMQ source code. That may spark a little more >>>>>>>>> life into the old web-console so people can help maintain it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the standalone ActiveMQ distribution, then installing the old web >>>>>>>>> console should be an easy step, such as unzipping a .zip file, or >>>>>>>>> copying a .war / .jar or something to a directory, and allowing to >>>>>>>>> editing a configuration file to configure the console (port / context >>>>>>>>> path / or other configurations). Then other 3rd party consoles could >>>>>>>>> have the *same* installation procedure, so there is even >>>>>>>>> playing-field. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the embedded ActiveMQ distribution for SMX/Karaf users, its >>>>>>>>> already easy to install the console, as its just like any other >>>>>>>>> installation using a feature. This is the same for other 3rd party >>>>>>>>> consoles, and thus there is already an even playing field. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://felix.apache.org/documentation/subprojects/apache-felix-web-console.html >>>>>>>>> [2] - http://karaf.apache.org/index/subprojects/webconsole.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The old/original console is no longer fit for purpose, it is hard to >>>>>>>>>> maintain, the source of a lot of security issues [1] over the last >>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is another thread about using hawtio as the console going >>>>>> forward, >>>>>>>>>> and without going into all the gory details it is probably likely >>>>>> that there >>>>>>>>>> may be no web console shipped at all in future releases of ActiveMQ. >>>>>> The JMX >>>>>>>>>> naming hierarchy was improved for ActiveMQ 5.8, such that its easy to >>>>>> view >>>>>>>>>> the running status of an ActiveMQ broker from 3rd party tools such as >>>>>>>>>> jconsole, visualvm or hawtio. Regardless of the outcome of the other >>>>>>>>>> discussion [2] - It doesn’t help the ActiveMQ project to try and >>>>>> maintain a >>>>>>>>>> static web console any more. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I propose we remove the old web console from the ActiveMQ 5.10 >>>>>> release - >>>>>>>>>> thoughts ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-2714?jql=project%20%3D%20AMQ%20AND%20text%20~%20%22XSS%22 >>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Default-Web-Console-td4675705.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rob Davies >>>>>>>>>> ———————— >>>>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc >>>>>>>>>> http://hawt.io - #dontcha >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: rajdavies >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The old console has been a continuous source of bugs and there's not >>>>>> been >>>>>>>> much community involvement in maintaining it so it'd be much better to >>>>>> just >>>>>>>> remove from the mainline and provide a way for those who really want to >>>>>>>> contribute to do so without shipping out something that's not as >>>>>> polished in >>>>>>>> the main distribution. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tim Bish >>>>>>>> Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc. >>>>>>>> tim.b...@redhat.com | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com >>>>>>>> skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121 >>>>>>>> blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Christian Posta >>>>>>> http://www.christianposta.com/blog >>>>>>> twitter: @christianposta >>>>>> >>>>>> Rob Davies >>>>>> ———————— >>>>>> Red Hat, Inc >>>>>> http://hawt.io - #dontcha >>>>>> Twitter: rajdavies >>>>>> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com >>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Hiram Chirino >>>> >>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>> >>>> hchir...@redhat.com | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>> >>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>> >>>> blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo >> >> > > -- > Daniel Kulp > dk...@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog > Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com > -- Claus Ibsen ----------------- Red Hat, Inc. 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