I am +1 on moving the console into a subproject. That way it could have
a life of its own, independent of the server side.
I am -1 on making the console optional in the distro. I am more in favor
of having a minimal (no console and maybe other features) and a full
distro including the console like other projects do and like Claus I
think suggested earlier in this thread. Most of the users I know
actively use the console and they expect it in a full distro. I don't
see any compelling reason to change that.
My $0.01,
Hadrian
On 01/13/2014 05:08 PM, Daniel Kulp wrote:
On Jan 13, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
This discussion seems to have slowed/stopped. Although I don’t think there’s a
consensus - it seems moving the old console to a sub-project and making the
install optional from the distribution will cover most concerns raised. Unless
there’s objections - I’d like to suggest we make this happen asap and get a new
ActiveMQ release
out - unless we need to vote ?
As someone who’s had to struggle to install things behind corporate firewalls
and networks without internet connectivity and such on several occasions, I’d
certainly prefer an “activemq-all” distribution or something that would be
fully complete. Those “no internet” situations always annoy me when I have
some optional thing that I really need at that moment. (yea, I admit, usually
comes down to poor planning on my part)
Dan
thanks,
Rob
On 9 Jan 2014, at 05:09, Matt Pavlovich <m...@pavlovich.com> wrote:
+1
On Jan 8, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com> wrote:
+1
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Dejan Bosanac <de...@nighttale.net> wrote:
+1 from me as well. We have Jetty in and it should be easy to hot-deploy
any war folks want to use for the web part of the broker. So we can exclude
current web demos as well (which already don't start by default), then
rework them and allow people to install them on demand. This will allow us
to have much leaner broker installation.
Regards
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, this seems like the best approach so far.
On 7 Jan 2014, at 23:27, Christian Posta <christian.po...@gmail.com>
wrote:
+1 @ Claus, Jim, and Tim's thread of the discussion.
Moving the console to a subproject separates the code out enough and
makes it "less intimidating" to those in the community that would like
to approach it and contribute. Then have one distro that's "headless"
with the option of using whatever console one wanted, including quick
drop in of the old console. Could even distribute a script that goes
out, d/l the old console and installs it on demand as one sees fit (as
james mentioned).
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Timothy Bish <tabish...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 01/06/2014 03:06 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
Hi
I think the old web console should be moved into a sub-project of
ActiveMQ.
Other ASF projects like Felix [1], Karaf [2], etc does this with their
web-consoles.
That may also make it easier for people to contribute to the
web-console as a sub-project if there codebase is smaller, and not
contains the entire ActiveMQ source code. That may spark a little more
life into the old web-console so people can help maintain it.
For the standalone ActiveMQ distribution, then installing the old web
console should be an easy step, such as unzipping a .zip file, or
copying a .war / .jar or something to a directory, and allowing to
editing a configuration file to configure the console (port / context
path / or other configurations). Then other 3rd party consoles could
have the *same* installation procedure, so there is even
playing-field.
For the embedded ActiveMQ distribution for SMX/Karaf users, its
already easy to install the console, as its just like any other
installation using a feature. This is the same for other 3rd party
consoles, and thus there is already an even playing field.
[1] -
http://felix.apache.org/documentation/subprojects/apache-felix-web-console.html
[2] - http://karaf.apache.org/index/subprojects/webconsole.html
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Robert Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The old/original console is no longer fit for purpose, it is hard to
maintain, the source of a lot of security issues [1] over the last few
years.
There is another thread about using hawtio as the console going
forward,
and without going into all the gory details it is probably likely
that there
may be no web console shipped at all in future releases of ActiveMQ.
The JMX
naming hierarchy was improved for ActiveMQ 5.8, such that its easy to
view
the running status of an ActiveMQ broker from 3rd party tools such as
jconsole, visualvm or hawtio. Regardless of the outcome of the other
discussion [2] - It doesn’t help the ActiveMQ project to try and
maintain a
static web console any more.
I propose we remove the old web console from the ActiveMQ 5.10
release -
thoughts ?
[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-2714?jql=project%20%3D%20AMQ%20AND%20text%20~%20%22XSS%22
[2]
http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Default-Web-Console-td4675705.html
Rob Davies
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+1
The old console has been a continuous source of bugs and there's not
been
much community involvement in maintaining it so it'd be much better to
just
remove from the mainline and provide a way for those who really want to
contribute to do so without shipping out something that's not as
polished in
the main distribution.
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