The reason to get it on master is because that is where all the PRs are. An upstream branch without any development means no data. Also, our Jenkins setup via job-dsl doesn't honor using the Jenkins configuration on the branch because the seed job always runs against master.
On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > What about pushing it on a "upstream" branch and testing it for 1 week in > parallel of the maven reference build? If gradle is always 50% faster on > jenkins then it could become master setup without much discussion I guess. > We can even have 2 jenkins jobs: one with the daemon etc and one without. > > Also noticed yesterday that gradle build is killing my machine (all 8 cores > are 100%) during the first minutes vs maven build which let me do something > else. Then all the consumed time which makes gradle not that fast is about > python. Will try to send figures later today. > > Le 10 nov. 2017 00:10, "Lukasz Cwik" <lc...@google.com.invalid> a écrit : > > > I wouldn't mind merging this change in so I could setup those Gradle > > Jenkins precommits. > > > > As per our contribution guidelines, any committer willing to sign off on > > the PR? > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Le 9 nov. 2017 21:31, "Kenneth Knowles" <k...@google.com.invalid> a > > écrit : > > > > > > Keep in mind that a clean build is unusual during development (it is > > common > > > for mvn use and that is a bug) and also not necessary for precommits if > > the > > > build tool is correct enough that caching is safe. So while this number > > > matters, it is not the most important. > > > > > > > > > Not sure, in dev you bypass the build tool most of the time anyway - > > thanks > > > to IDE or other shortcuts - but not on PR and CI. Keep in mind that not > > > doing a clean and killing gradle daemon makes the build not > reproducible > > > and therefore useful :(. Starting to build from a subpart of the > reactor > > - > > > with the mentionned mvn plugin for instance - can be nice on some CI > like > > > travis if the caching is well configured but still not a guarantee the > > > build is "green". > > > > > > My trade off is to ensure an easy build and relevant result over the > time > > > criteria. Do you share it as well or prefer time over other criteria - > > > which leads to other conclusions and options indeed and can make us not > > > understanding each other? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I will try next week yes but the 2 runs i did were 28mn vs 32mn from > > > memory > > > > - after having downloaded all deps once. > > > > > > > > Le 9 nov. 2017 19:45, "Lukasz Cwik" <lc...@google.com.invalid> a > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > If Gradle was slow, do you mind running the build with --profile > and > > > > > sharing that and also sharing the Maven build log? > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Lukasz Cwik <lc...@google.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Romain, I don't understand your last comment, were you trying to > > say > > > > that > > > > > > you had the same Gradle build times like I did and it was an > > > > improvement > > > > > > over Maven or that you did not and you experienced build times > that > > > > were > > > > > > equivalent to Maven? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2017-11-09 18:38 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles > <k...@google.com.invalid > > > >: > > > > > >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> (this is another topic so we can maybe open another thread) > > issue > > > > is > > > > > >> >> not much about python but more about the fact the build is > not > > > self > > > > > >> >> contained. it is a maven build and maven should be sufficient > > > > without > > > > > >> >> having to install python + dependencies. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Let's leave out the topic of whether our build should install > > > things > > > > > >> like > > > > > >> > JDKs, Python, Golang, Docker, protoc, findbugs, RAT, etc. That > > > issue > > > > > is > > > > > >> > somewhat independent of build tool, and the new build isn't > > worse > > > > than > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > old one as far as it goes. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Yep, globally the same time with clean and killing the daemon. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Kenn > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> I don't see any technical > > > > > >> >> blockers to do it (except time ;)) but it is always a bit > > > annoying > > > > to > > > > > >> >> git clone then not be able to build. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> 2017-11-09 18:07 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik > > <lc...@google.com.invalid > > > >: > > > > > >> >> > Hmm, I have had good luck when following the Python quick > > start > > > > > setup > > > > > >> >> > <https://beam.apache.org/get-started/quickstart-py/> on > > > multiple > > > > > >> >> machines > > > > > >> >> > by ensuring the installed version of setuptools, virtualenv > > and > > > > pip > > > > > >> are > > > > > >> >> new > > > > > >> >> > enough versions. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > You can always skip the Python portion of the build by > > > excluding > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> build > > > > > >> >> > task as so: > > > > > >> >> > ./gradlew build -x ":beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks- > > python:build" > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> >> > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> The 1.3.5 file is when i installed the python dependencies > > > > > manually > > > > > >> >> >> to make the build passing (the pip command never passed on > > my > > > > > >> computer > > > > > >> >> >> and therefore the build always has been broken until i > > > installed > > > > > it > > > > > >> >> >> manually - independently from the build tool). > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > >> >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> 2017-11-09 17:51 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik > > > <lc...@google.com.invalid > > > > > >: > > > > > >> >> >> > It turns out that the Apache Rat Ant task and the Apache > > Rat > > > > > Maven > > > > > >> >> plugin > > > > > >> >> >> > differ in that the plugin automatically excludes certain > > > files > > > > > by > > > > > >> >> default > > > > > >> >> >> > while the Ant task does not. > > > > > >> >> >> > See: > > > > > >> >> >> > http://creadur.apache.org/rat/ > > apache-rat-plugin/check-mojo. > > > > > >> >> >> html#useDefaultExcludes > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > I fixed the list to exclude ".idea/" instead of "idea/" > > > since > > > > > >> there > > > > > >> >> was a > > > > > >> >> >> > typo. > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > I have no idea what the file "=1.3.5" is. Can you take a > > > look > > > > at > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> >> > contents? > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > >> >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> >> >> > wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Ok, the rat issues I got were: > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/.idea/* > > > > > >> >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/ > sdks/python/=1.3.5 > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> The first one could be in my default exclude - even if > > > > > >> eclipse/idea > > > > > >> >> >> >> files should be in the default exclude set of beam rat > > > config > > > > > >> IMHO, > > > > > >> >> >> >> the last one is more a "?" can probably be exclude as > > well > > > if > > > > > >> created > > > > > >> >> >> >> by the build at some point. > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > >> >> >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> 2017-11-08 19:17 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > > > > j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > >> >: > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Thanks for the update. I was swamped on some > meetings. > > > I'm > > > > > >> back to > > > > > >> >> >> test > > > > > >> >> >> >> the latest changes. > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Regards > > > > > >> >> >> >> > JB > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > On Nov 8, 2017, 18:56, at 18:56, Lukasz Cwik > > > > > >> >> <lc...@google.com.INVALID > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Thanks everyone for trying this build out in > different > > > > > >> workspaces / > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>configurations. This will help make sure the build > > works > > > > for > > > > > >> more > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>people > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>and will get rid of any rough edges. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Performance (All): > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven performs parallelization at the module level, > an > > > > entire > > > > > >> >> module > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>needs > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to complete before any dependent modules can start, > > this > > > > > means > > > > > >> >> running > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>all > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the checks like findbugs, checkstyle, tests need to > > > finish. > > > > > >> Gradle > > > > > >> >> has > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>task > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>level parallelism between subprojects which means > that > > as > > > > > soon > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>compile and shade steps are done for a project, and > > > > dependent > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>subprojects > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>can typically start. This means that we get increased > > > > > >> parallelism > > > > > >> >> due > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>not needing to wait for findbugs, checkstyle, tests > to > > > > run. I > > > > > >> >> >> typically > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>see > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~20 tasks (at peak) running on my desktop in > parallel. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Apache Rat (JB / Romain): > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>What files are in the rat report that fail (its > likely > > > that > > > > > I'm > > > > > >> >> >> missing > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some exclusion for a build time artifact)? Also, > please > > > try > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> build > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>again > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>after running `git clean -fdx` in your workspace. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Python (JB): > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>As for the Python SDK, you'll need to share more > > details > > > > > about > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>failure. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Gradle 4.3: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>I would like to defer the swap to Gradle 4.3 until > > after > > > > this > > > > > >> PR > > > > > >> >> since > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>it > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>will be a much smaller set of changes. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste > Onofré < > > > > > >> >> >> j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Same for me for rat and python build too: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> FAILURE: Build completed with 2 failures. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 1: Task failed with an exception. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ----------- > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task ':rat'. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > Found 905 files with unapproved/unknown licenses. > > See > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> file:/home/jbonofre/Workspace/ > > > > beam/build/reports/rat/rat- > > > > > >> >> report.txt > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * Try: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack > trace. > > > Run > > > > > with > > > > > >> >> --info > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>or > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> --debug option to get more log output. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ============================== > > > > > ============================== > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ================== > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 2: Task failed with an exception. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ----------- > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * Where: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Build file '/home/jbonofre/Workspace/ > > > > > >> >> beam/sdks/python/build.gradle' > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>line: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 64 > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task > > ':beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks- > > > > > >> >> >> python:lint'. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > Process 'command 'tox'' finished with non-zero > exit > > > > > value 1 > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> On 11/08/2017 09:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> gradle branch doesnt build for me (some rat > issues) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | > LinkedIn > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> 2017-11-08 5:41 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > > > > >> j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > >> >> >: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Great ! > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> What explain these difference ? I'm curious > > > especially > > > > > for > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>clean > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> build > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> all Java modules: is it a question of parallel > > > > execution > > > > > ? > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Regards > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> JB > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> On 11/08/2017 02:59 AM, Lukasz Cwik wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> The Gradle POC has made significant advances > since > > > > last > > > > > >> week > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>(shading, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Python, Go, Docker builds, ...). I believe the > > > current > > > > > >> state > > > > > >> >> is > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>close > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> enough to the Maven build system to warrant a > > > > > comparison. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> The largest build differences I noticed are: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Full build takes about ~22mins using Gradle > > > > > >> (parallelizing > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>three > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> rounds of Python tests would reduce this to > > ~17mins) > > > > > >> compared > > > > > >> >> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~38mins > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> in > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Clean build all Java modules (skipping over > > > > Go/Python > > > > > >> <https://goto.google.com/Python> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <https://goto.google.com/Python>) takes ~8mins > in > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Gradle which takes ~36mins in Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Build output is cached allowing for faster > > > > subsequent > > > > > >> builds > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>with > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "gradle > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> buildDependents" allowing for most single module > > > > changes > > > > > >> >> taking > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~2mins > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> build and test without needing to rely on "mvn > > > > install" > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I have opened PR 4096 < > https://github.com/apache/ > > > > > >> >> beam/pull/4096> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>so > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> the Gradle build files merged and then follow up > > > with > > > > > new > > > > > >> >> Jenkins > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> precommits which are powered by Gradle. This > will > > > > allow > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>community to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> continuing contributing to the Gradle build and > > also > > > > > allow > > > > > >> >> for a > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> comparison > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> of the precommit times on the Jenkins executor > > when > > > > > using > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven/Gradle. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> suggest that those who are interested try out > the > > > PR. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste > > > Onofré > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> That makes sense. The point is that we have to > > > compare > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>equivalently. I'm > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> also curious about Gradle PoC assuming it does > > the > > > > same > > > > > >> >> actions > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>as > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Maven. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Regards > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> JB > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 20:41, at 20:41, Kenneth > Knowles > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <k...@google.com.INVALID> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'm confident that any choice will speed > things > > up > > > > > >> >> dramatically > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>even > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> beyond > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a fast profile, even if the new tool runs all > > the > > > > > extra > > > > > >> >> stuff. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>But > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a question that we can answer empirically > > anyhow. > > > > > Let's > > > > > >> see > > > > > >> >> how > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>it > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> goes! > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Incidentally, my experiments with Bazel have > led > > > me > > > > to > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>conclusion > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it is not the right choice for us so I'm not > > going > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>proposing any > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> completed POC of that right now. I'm > interested > > in > > > > the > > > > > >> >> outcome > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>of the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Gradle POC. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Kenn > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Jean-Baptiste > > > Onofré > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Hi > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> It's what I said in a previous e-mail: I > don't > > > > think > > > > > >> that > > > > > >> >> just > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> changing > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the build tool will improve a lot the build > > time. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> We already know (and discussed while ago) > that > > > > > plugins > > > > > >> like > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>findbugs, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> checkstyle, etc are taking time. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So, I think we can already have a fast > profile. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> JB > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 11:16, at 11:16, Romain > > > Manni-Bucau > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> when you check the duration of each mojo of > > the > > > > > build > > > > > >> >> (almost > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>since > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> python part of the build just breaks it > > locally) > > > > you > > > > > >> see > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>there > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> no real link with maven for the perf issues > > beam > > > > can > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>encounter: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/ > > > > > >> >> f65fdde28d5dab0fdac50633 > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> f84554c9 > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (generated from the profiling of > tesla-profile > > > and > > > > > >> parsed > > > > > >> >> >> with > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/ > > > e329d54b8af6c009f46fd1 > > > > > >> 51d10037 > > > > > >> >> ad > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Before PoC-ing other tools which will end up > > to > > > > > either > > > > > >> >> have > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the same > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issues if the other builds do the same > things > > > > (test, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>checkstyle, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enforcer, findbugs, ...) or have a less > > reliable > > > > > build > > > > > >> >> >> (trying > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> skip > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> some parts of the build if "untouched" - > note > > > that > > > > > >> this > > > > > >> >> is a > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>very > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hard > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issue since static code anaylizis doesn't > give > > > you > > > > > any > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>guarantee of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> what it does with modern code - then maybe > > some > > > > > action > > > > > >> >> can be > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>taken > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> on > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the current build: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - testing > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://github.com/vackosar/ > > gitflow-incremental-builder > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/khmarbaise/ > > > > > >> incremental-module-builder > > > > > >> >> >> maybe > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>or > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> do > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the same kind of extension including the > beam > > > > needs > > > > > >> (/!\ > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> previous > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> warning is still accurate and requires a > full > > > run > > > > at > > > > > >> some > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>point to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> validate the graph detection algorithm > didn't > > > get > > > > > >> abused > > > > > >> >> by > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> indirect code dependency) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - maybe try to get rid of some shades (it > is a > > > bit > > > > > >> crazy > > > > > >> >> ATM > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to have > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> so much shades no?) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - the CI can have profiles based on a PR > > > > convention > > > > > >> (name > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> branch?) to select the build profile, for > > > instance > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fb/elasticsearch_super-nice-PR would build > > only > > > > the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>elasticsearch > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> modules, jenkins/travis have this ability > > since > > > > they > > > > > >> >> support > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> scripting > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - document how to setup a "fastBuild" > profile > > in > > > > its > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>settings.xml > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which bypasses checkstyle, enforcer plugin, > > > > > findbugs, > > > > > >> >> etc... > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fast > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development iterations > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | > > > > LinkedIn > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-01 21:02 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><k...@google.com.invalid > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I have started one, here: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ > > > kennknowles/beam/commits/bazel > > > > . > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It is not nearly as far along as Luke's. > For > > > the > > > > > POC > > > > > >> I am > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>just > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> putting > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> things in one root BUILD, and learning > where > > we > > > > > might > > > > > >> >> find > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> necessary > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> plugins as I go. I am happy to grant push > > > access > > > > to > > > > > >> this > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>branch. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> It > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> would > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> be superb if you had some time to work > > through > > > > the > > > > > >> Python > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>steps. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Ahmet > Altay > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <al...@google.com.invalid> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone started a POC with Bazel? I > would > > be > > > > > >> >> interested > > > > > >> >> >> in > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> helping that > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> effort. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Lukasz > Cwik > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <lc...@google.com.invalid> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have started a POC for using Gradle > here: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/lukecwik/in > > > > > >> cubator-beam/tree/gradle > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that work: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * compiling all Java code (src/main and > > > > src/test) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from protos > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from avro > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running rat, checkstyle > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Partially working: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating maven pom (albeit with wrong > > > > > >> dependencies > > > > > >> >> for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> subprojects) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running tests (~80% pass, remainder > seem > > to > > > > be > > > > > >> >> >> dependency > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> related but > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> uninvestigated) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that don't work: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything Python/Go/Docker compilation > > > related > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * many tests fail because I messed up > > > > > dependencies > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything shading related > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * minor plugins like eclipse code > > > formatter/... > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running @NeedsRunner/@ValidatesRunner/ > > > > > >> integration > > > > > >> >> tests > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to reach out to me on Slack if > > you > > > > > would > > > > > >> >> like to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>try > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> tackle > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of the POC to prevent duplication > of > > > > effort > > > > > >> from > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>anyone > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> working on > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:25 PM, > > > Jean-Baptiste > > > > > >> Onofré > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Agree to move forward on a PoC. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Reuven for bringing discussion on > > the > > > > > >> mailing > > > > > >> >> list > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>! > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, 03:20, at 03:20, Reuven > > Lax > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <re...@google.com.INVALID> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some good discussion here, and thanks > to > > JB > > > > and > > > > > >> >> Romain > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> adding to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it! > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB makes the good point that we still > > need > > > to > > > > > >> release > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many Beam users want to develop using > > > Maven. > > > > So > > > > > >> none > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>this > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will affect our release process, as we > > > still > > > > > need > > > > > >> >> Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "releases." > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point, if people are > interested, > > I > > > > see > > > > > no > > > > > >> >> harm > > > > > >> >> >> in > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prototyping. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having working alternatives will give > us > > a > > > > > better > > > > > >> >> basis > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> comparison > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand whether these other build > > > systems > > > > > >> give us > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anything > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> over > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> what > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven does. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reuven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:05 AM, > Charles > > > > Chen > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <c...@google.com.invalid > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a contributor to the Beam Python > SDK, > > I > > > > > >> noticed > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> many > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> of the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above regarding Maven and Gradle > pertain > > > > > mostly > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> >> Java > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> SDK > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Python development, Maven is much > > less > > > > > >> natural, > > > > > >> >> and > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>we > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> end up > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelling out to perform builds and > > tests. > > > > For > > > > > >> >> Python > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>SDK > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (and > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming Go > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SDK development), an option to use > Bazel > > > > would > > > > > >> be > > > > > >> >> quite > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> useful. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM > Robert > > > > > Bradshaw > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rober...@google.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, Maven is both a build tool and a > > > > > >> repository, and > > > > > >> >> >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> latter is > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essential to keep. Both Gradel and > > Bazel > > > > can > > > > > >> >> interface > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> with > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> this > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repository. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am, however, very supportive of > > moving > > > > away > > > > > >> from > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> a tool > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that supports correct incremental, > > > > hermetic, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> dependency-driven, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-langauge, and hopefully fast > > builds > > > > for > > > > > >> our > > > > > >> >> own > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:00 AM, > > Kenneth > > > > > >> Knowles > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <k...@google.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Echoing what JB and Reuven said, we > > > > > absolutely > > > > > >> >> must > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> provide > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> central > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts for Java users, just as we > > > > provide > > > > > >> pypi > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Python > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Maven as still a viable tool > for > > > > > >> >> single-module > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Java > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> builds, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially considering its rich > plugin > > > > > >> ecosystem. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:27 PM, > > Reuven > > > > Lax > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <re...@google.com.invalid > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that's a very good point. No > > > > matter > > > > > >> what > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> build > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> system > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own personal development, we > > still > > > > need > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> release > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases as we need to support our > > > users > > > > > >> using > > > > > >> >> >> Maven. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:26 PM, > > > > > >> Jean-Baptiste > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Onofré < > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally speaking, it's > interesting > > to > > > > > >> evaluate > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gradle. My point is also to keep > > Maven > > > > > >> artifacts > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" as > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our users will use Maven. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For incremental build, afair, > > there's > > > > some > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements on > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to take a look. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, 07:22, at 07:22, > > > Eugene > > > > > >> >> Kirpichov > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kirpic...@google.com.INVALID> > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these points sound valid, > > but > > > > > >> AFAICT > > > > > >> >> Maven > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental builds [1]. The best > it > > > can > > > > > do > > > > > >> is, > > > > > >> >> it > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seems, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recompile > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed files, but Java > compilation > > > is > > > > a > > > > > >> tiny > > > > > >> >> part > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Almost all time is taken by other > > > > > plugins, > > > > > >> >> such as > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> unit > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing or > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> findbugs > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - and Maven does not seem to > > > currently > > > > > >> support > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> features such > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as "do > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rerun unit tests of a module if > the > > > > code > > > > > >> didn't > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> change". > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that the surefire plugin > > has > > > > > >> existed > > > > > >> >> for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> 11 > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> years > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (version > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0 > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was released in 2006) and still > > > doesn't > > > > > >> have > > > > > >> >> this > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> feature > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes me > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it's unlikely to be > supported > > in > > > > the > > > > > >> next > > > > > >> >> few > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> years > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect most PRs affect a very > > > small > > > > > >> number > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> modules, so > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance advantage of a build > > > system > > > > > >> truly > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> supporting > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builds > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be so overwhelming as to > trump > > > many > > > > > >> other > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> factors. Of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to prototype and have hard > numbers > > in > > > > > hand > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> discuss > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> this > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> substance. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://stackoverflow.com/ > > questions/8918165/does-maven- > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support-incremental-builds > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:57 PM > > > Romain > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Manni-Bucau > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if not a commiter or even > > PMC, > > > > I'd > > > > > >> like > > > > > >> >> to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> mention a > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an external eye: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven stays the most common > > build > > > > tool > > > > > >> and > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> easier > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> one > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means it is the best one to hope > > > > > >> contributions > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> IMHO. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven has incremental support > > but > > > if > > > > > >> there > > > > > >> >> is > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> any > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> blocker > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is probably ready to enhance it > > (has > > > > > been > > > > > >> done > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> compiler > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugin > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance) > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle hides issues easily > with > > > its > > > > > >> daemon > > > > > >> >> so > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> build > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> daemon is > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle doesnt isolate plugins > > well > > > > > >> enough so > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> ensure your > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planned > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesnt conflict > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Only Maven is correctly > > supported > > > in > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> mainstream > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS/free IDE > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the reasons why I think > > > Maven > > > > is > > > > > >> >> better > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> - > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not even > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entering > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF points. > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Maven is not perfect but > some > > > > quick > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements can > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - A fast build profile can be > > > created > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Takari scheduler can be used > yo > > > > > enhance > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> parallel > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Scripts can be provided to > > build a > > > > > >> subpart > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> project > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - A beam extension can surely be > > > done > > > > to > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> optimize > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compute the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reactors > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more easily based on module > names > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Romain > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 31 oct. 2017 06:42, > > > "Jean-Baptiste > > > > > >> Onofré" > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit : > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -0 > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the following reasons > reasons: > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - maven is a Apache project and > we > > > can > > > > > >> have > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support/improvement > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I don't see how another build > > tool > > > > > would > > > > > >> >> speed > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> up > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build by > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 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