The gradle build rules have been merged, I'm adding a precommit[1] to start
collecting data about the build times. It currently only mirrors the Java
mvn install precommit. I'll gather data over the next two weeks and provide
a summary here.

You can rerun the precommit by issuing "Run Java Gradle PreCommit"

1: https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/4146


On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Lukasz Cwik <[email protected]> wrote:

> There has been plenty of time for comments on the PR and the approach.
>
> So far Ken Knowles has provided the most feedback on the PR, Ken would you
> like to finish the review?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <[email protected]
> > wrote:
>
>> This is only a setup thing and better to not break the master history for
>> poc/tests, in particular when no very localized. Alternative can be to ask
>> another temp repo to infra and have a synchro between both but dont think
>> it does worth it personally.
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 10 nov. 2017 18:57, "Lukasz Cwik" <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>
>> > The reason to get it on master is because that is where all the PRs
>> are. An
>> > upstream branch without any development means no data.
>> > Also, our Jenkins setup via job-dsl doesn't honor using the Jenkins
>> > configuration on the branch because the seed job always runs against
>> > master.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> [email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > What about pushing it on a "upstream" branch and testing it for 1
>> week in
>> > > parallel of the maven reference build? If gradle is always 50% faster
>> on
>> > > jenkins then it could become master setup without much discussion I
>> > guess.
>> > > We can even have 2 jenkins jobs: one with the daemon etc and one
>> without.
>> > >
>> > > Also noticed yesterday that gradle build is killing my machine (all 8
>> > cores
>> > > are 100%) during the first minutes vs maven build which let me do
>> > something
>> > > else. Then all the consumed time which makes gradle not that fast is
>> > about
>> > > python. Will try to send figures later today.
>> > >
>> > > Le 10 nov. 2017 00:10, "Lukasz Cwik" <[email protected]> a
>> écrit
>> > :
>> > >
>> > > > I wouldn't mind merging this change in so I could setup those Gradle
>> > > > Jenkins precommits.
>> > > >
>> > > > As per our contribution guidelines, any committer willing to sign
>> off
>> > on
>> > > > the PR?
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> > > [email protected]>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Le 9 nov. 2017 21:31, "Kenneth Knowles" <[email protected]>
>> a
>> > > > écrit :
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Keep in mind that a clean build is unusual during development (it
>> is
>> > > > common
>> > > > > for mvn use and that is a bug) and also not necessary for
>> precommits
>> > if
>> > > > the
>> > > > > build tool is correct enough that caching is safe. So while this
>> > number
>> > > > > matters, it is not the most important.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Not sure, in dev you bypass the build tool most of the time
>> anyway -
>> > > > thanks
>> > > > > to IDE or other shortcuts - but not on PR and CI. Keep in mind
>> that
>> > not
>> > > > > doing a clean and killing gradle daemon makes the build not
>> > > reproducible
>> > > > > and therefore useful :(. Starting to build from a subpart of the
>> > > reactor
>> > > > -
>> > > > > with the mentionned mvn plugin for instance - can be nice on some
>> CI
>> > > like
>> > > > > travis if the caching is well configured but still not a guarantee
>> > the
>> > > > > build is "green".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > My trade off is to ensure an easy build and relevant result over
>> the
>> > > time
>> > > > > criteria. Do you share it as well or prefer time over other
>> criteria
>> > -
>> > > > > which leads to other conclusions and options indeed and can make
>> us
>> > not
>> > > > > understanding each other?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> > > > [email protected]
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I will try next week yes but the 2 runs i did were 28mn vs 32mn
>> > from
>> > > > > memory
>> > > > > > - after having downloaded all deps once.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Le 9 nov. 2017 19:45, "Lukasz Cwik" <[email protected]>
>> a
>> > > > écrit :
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If Gradle was slow, do you mind running the build with
>> --profile
>> > > and
>> > > > > > > sharing that and also sharing the Maven build log?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Lukasz Cwik <
>> [email protected]>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Romain, I don't understand your last comment, were you
>> trying
>> > to
>> > > > say
>> > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > you had the same Gradle build times like I did and it was an
>> > > > > > improvement
>> > > > > > > > over Maven or that you did not and you experienced build
>> times
>> > > that
>> > > > > > were
>> > > > > > > > equivalent to Maven?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> > > > > > > [email protected]>
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> 2017-11-09 18:38 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles
>> > > <[email protected]
>> > > > > >:
>> > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> > > > > > > >> [email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> (this is another topic so we can maybe open another
>> thread)
>> > > > issue
>> > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > >> >> not much about python but more about the fact the build
>> is
>> > > not
>> > > > > self
>> > > > > > > >> >> contained. it is a maven build and maven should be
>> > sufficient
>> > > > > > without
>> > > > > > > >> >> having to install python + dependencies.
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > Let's leave out the topic of whether our build should
>> > install
>> > > > > things
>> > > > > > > >> like
>> > > > > > > >> > JDKs, Python, Golang, Docker, protoc, findbugs, RAT, etc.
>> > That
>> > > > > issue
>> > > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > >> > somewhat independent of build tool, and the new build
>> isn't
>> > > > worse
>> > > > > > than
>> > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > >> > old one as far as it goes.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Yep, globally the same time with clean and killing the
>> daemon.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > Kenn
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> I don't see any technical
>> > > > > > > >> >> blockers to do it (except time ;)) but it is always a
>> bit
>> > > > > annoying
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > >> >> git clone then not be able to build.
>> > > > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > > > > > > >> >> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn
>> > > > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> 2017-11-09 18:07 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik
>> > > > <[email protected]
>> > > > > >:
>> > > > > > > >> >> > Hmm, I have had good luck when following the Python
>> quick
>> > > > start
>> > > > > > > setup
>> > > > > > > >> >> > <https://beam.apache.org/get-started/quickstart-py/>
>> on
>> > > > > multiple
>> > > > > > > >> >> machines
>> > > > > > > >> >> > by ensuring the installed version of setuptools,
>> > virtualenv
>> > > > and
>> > > > > > pip
>> > > > > > > >> are
>> > > > > > > >> >> new
>> > > > > > > >> >> > enough versions.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> > You can always skip the Python portion of the build by
>> > > > > excluding
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> >> build
>> > > > > > > >> >> > task as so:
>> > > > > > > >> >> > ./gradlew build -x ":beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks-
>> > > > python:build"
>> > > > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> > > > > > > >> >> [email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> The 1.3.5 file is when i installed the python
>> > dependencies
>> > > > > > > manually
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> to make the build passing (the pip command never
>> passed
>> > on
>> > > > my
>> > > > > > > >> computer
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> and therefore the build always has been broken until
>> i
>> > > > > installed
>> > > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> manually - independently from the build tool).
>> > > > > > > >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn
>> > > > > > > >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> 2017-11-09 17:51 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik
>> > > > > <[email protected]
>> > > > > > > >:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > It turns out that the Apache Rat Ant task and the
>> > Apache
>> > > > Rat
>> > > > > > > Maven
>> > > > > > > >> >> plugin
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > differ in that the plugin automatically excludes
>> > certain
>> > > > > files
>> > > > > > > by
>> > > > > > > >> >> default
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > while the Ant task does not.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > See:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > http://creadur.apache.org/rat/
>> > > > apache-rat-plugin/check-mojo.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> html#useDefaultExcludes
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > I fixed the list to exclude ".idea/" instead of
>> > "idea/"
>> > > > > since
>> > > > > > > >> there
>> > > > > > > >> >> was a
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > typo.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > I have no idea what the file "=1.3.5" is. Can you
>> > take a
>> > > > > look
>> > > > > > at
>> > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > contents?
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Romain
>> Manni-Bucau <
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> [email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Ok, the rat issues I got were:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/.idea/*
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/
>> > > sdks/python/=1.3.5
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> The first one could be in my default exclude -
>> even
>> > if
>> > > > > > > >> eclipse/idea
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> files should be in the default exclude set of beam
>> > rat
>> > > > > config
>> > > > > > > >> IMHO,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> the last one is more a "?" can probably be
>> exclude as
>> > > > well
>> > > > > if
>> > > > > > > >> created
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> by the build at some point.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github |
>> LinkedIn
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> 2017-11-08 19:17 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>> > > > > > > [email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Thanks for the update. I was swamped on some
>> > > meetings.
>> > > > > I'm
>> > > > > > > >> back to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> test
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> the latest changes.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Regards
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > JB
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > On Nov 8, 2017, 18:56, at 18:56, Lukasz Cwik
>> > > > > > > >> >> <[email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Thanks everyone for trying this build out in
>> > > different
>> > > > > > > >> workspaces /
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>configurations. This will help make sure the
>> build
>> > > > works
>> > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > >> more
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>people
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>and will get rid of any rough edges.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Performance (All):
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven performs parallelization at the module
>> level,
>> > > an
>> > > > > > entire
>> > > > > > > >> >> module
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>needs
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to complete before any dependent modules can
>> start,
>> > > > this
>> > > > > > > means
>> > > > > > > >> >> running
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>all
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the checks like findbugs, checkstyle, tests
>> need to
>> > > > > finish.
>> > > > > > > >> Gradle
>> > > > > > > >> >> has
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>task
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>level parallelism between subprojects which
>> means
>> > > that
>> > > > as
>> > > > > > > soon
>> > > > > > > >> as
>> > > > > > > >> >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>compile and shade steps are done for a project,
>> and
>> > > > > > dependent
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>subprojects
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>can typically start. This means that we get
>> > increased
>> > > > > > > >> parallelism
>> > > > > > > >> >> due
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>not needing to wait for findbugs, checkstyle,
>> tests
>> > > to
>> > > > > > run. I
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> typically
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>see
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~20 tasks (at peak) running on my desktop in
>> > > parallel.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Apache Rat (JB / Romain):
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>What files are in the rat report that fail (its
>> > > likely
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > > > I'm
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> missing
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some exclusion for a build time artifact)? Also,
>> > > please
>> > > > > try
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> >> build
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>again
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>after running `git clean -fdx` in your
>> workspace.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Python (JB):
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>As for the Python SDK, you'll need to share more
>> > > > details
>> > > > > > > about
>> > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>failure.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Gradle 4.3:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>I would like to defer the swap to Gradle 4.3
>> until
>> > > > after
>> > > > > > this
>> > > > > > > >> PR
>> > > > > > > >> >> since
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>it
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>will be a much smaller set of changes.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste
>> > > Onofré <
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> [email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Same for me for rat and python build too:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> FAILURE: Build completed with 2 failures.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 1: Task failed with an exception.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> -----------
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task ':rat'.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > Found 905 files with unapproved/unknown
>> > licenses.
>> > > > See
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> file:/home/jbonofre/Workspace/
>> > > > > > beam/build/reports/rat/rat-
>> > > > > > > >> >> report.txt
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * Try:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack
>> > > trace.
>> > > > > Run
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > >> >> --info
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>or
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> --debug option to get more log output.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ==============================
>> > > > > > > ==============================
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ==================
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 2: Task failed with an exception.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> -----------
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * Where:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Build file '/home/jbonofre/Workspace/
>> > > > > > > >> >> beam/sdks/python/build.gradle'
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>line:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 64
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task
>> > > > ':beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks-
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> python:lint'.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > Process 'command 'tox'' finished with
>> non-zero
>> > > exit
>> > > > > > > value 1
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> On 11/08/2017 09:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> gradle branch doesnt build for me (some rat
>> > > issues)
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github |
>> > > LinkedIn
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> 2017-11-08 5:41 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste
>> Onofré <
>> > > > > > > >> [email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >> >:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Great !
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> What explain these difference ? I'm curious
>> > > > > especially
>> > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>clean
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> build
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> all Java modules: is it a question of
>> parallel
>> > > > > > execution
>> > > > > > > ?
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Regards
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> JB
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> On 11/08/2017 02:59 AM, Lukasz Cwik wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> The Gradle POC has made significant
>> advances
>> > > since
>> > > > > > last
>> > > > > > > >> week
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>(shading,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Python, Go, Docker builds, ...). I believe
>> the
>> > > > > current
>> > > > > > > >> state
>> > > > > > > >> >> is
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>close
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> enough to the Maven build system to
>> warrant a
>> > > > > > > comparison.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> The largest build differences I noticed
>> are:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Full build takes about ~22mins using
>> Gradle
>> > > > > > > >> (parallelizing
>> > > > > > > >> >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>three
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> rounds of Python tests would reduce this to
>> > > > ~17mins)
>> > > > > > > >> compared
>> > > > > > > >> >> to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~38mins
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> in
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Maven
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Clean build all Java modules (skipping
>> over
>> > > > > > Go/Python <https://goto.google.com/Python>
>> > > > > > > >> <https://goto.google.com/Python>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <https://goto.google.com/Python>) takes
>> > ~8mins
>> > > in
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Gradle which takes ~36mins in Maven
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Build output is cached allowing for
>> faster
>> > > > > > subsequent
>> > > > > > > >> builds
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>with
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "gradle
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> buildDependents" allowing for most single
>> > module
>> > > > > > changes
>> > > > > > > >> >> taking
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~2mins
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> build and test without needing to rely on
>> "mvn
>> > > > > > install"
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I have opened PR 4096 <
>> > > https://github.com/apache/
>> > > > > > > >> >> beam/pull/4096>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>so
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> the Gradle build files merged and then
>> follow
>> > up
>> > > > > with
>> > > > > > > new
>> > > > > > > >> >> Jenkins
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> precommits which are powered by Gradle.
>> This
>> > > will
>> > > > > > allow
>> > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>community to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> continuing contributing to the Gradle build
>> > and
>> > > > also
>> > > > > > > allow
>> > > > > > > >> >> for a
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> comparison
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> of the precommit times on the Jenkins
>> executor
>> > > > when
>> > > > > > > using
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven/Gradle.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> suggest that those who are interested try
>> out
>> > > the
>> > > > > PR.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:29 PM,
>> Jean-Baptiste
>> > > > > Onofré
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> That makes sense. The point is that we
>> have to
>> > > > > compare
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>equivalently. I'm
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> also curious about Gradle PoC assuming it
>> > does
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > same
>> > > > > > > >> >> actions
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>as
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Maven.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Regards
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> JB
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 20:41, at 20:41, Kenneth
>> > > Knowles
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'm confident that any choice will speed
>> > > things
>> > > > up
>> > > > > > > >> >> dramatically
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>even
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> beyond
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a fast profile, even if the new tool runs
>> > all
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > extra
>> > > > > > > >> >> stuff.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>But
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a question that we can answer empirically
>> > > > anyhow.
>> > > > > > > Let's
>> > > > > > > >> see
>> > > > > > > >> >> how
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>it
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> goes!
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Incidentally, my experiments with Bazel
>> have
>> > > led
>> > > > > me
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>conclusion
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it is not the right choice for us so I'm
>> not
>> > > > going
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>proposing any
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> completed POC of that right now. I'm
>> > > interested
>> > > > in
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> >> outcome
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>of the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Gradle POC.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Kenn
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:30 AM,
>> > Jean-Baptiste
>> > > > > Onofré
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><[email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> >
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> It's what I said in a previous e-mail: I
>> > > don't
>> > > > > > think
>> > > > > > > >> that
>> > > > > > > >> >> just
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> changing
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the build tool will improve a lot the
>> build
>> > > > time.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> We already know (and discussed while
>> ago)
>> > > that
>> > > > > > > plugins
>> > > > > > > >> like
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>findbugs,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> checkstyle, etc are taking time.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So, I think we can already have a fast
>> > > profile.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> JB
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 11:16, at 11:16, Romain
>> > > > > Manni-Bucau
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> when you check the duration of each
>> mojo
>> > of
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > build
>> > > > > > > >> >> (almost
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>since
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> python part of the build just breaks it
>> > > > locally)
>> > > > > > you
>> > > > > > > >> see
>> > > > > > > >> >> that
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>there
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> no real link with maven for the perf
>> > issues
>> > > > beam
>> > > > > > can
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>encounter:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/
>> > > > > > > >> >> f65fdde28d5dab0fdac50633
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> f84554c9
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (generated from the profiling of
>> > > tesla-profile
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > > >> parsed
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> with
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/
>> > > > > e329d54b8af6c009f46fd1
>> > > > > > > >> 51d10037
>> > > > > > > >> >> ad
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> )
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Before PoC-ing other tools which will
>> end
>> > up
>> > > > to
>> > > > > > > either
>> > > > > > > >> >> have
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the same
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issues if the other builds do the same
>> > > things
>> > > > > > (test,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>checkstyle,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enforcer, findbugs, ...) or have a less
>> > > > reliable
>> > > > > > > build
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> (trying
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> skip
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> some parts of the build if "untouched"
>> -
>> > > note
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > > > >> this
>> > > > > > > >> >> is a
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>very
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hard
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issue since static code anaylizis
>> doesn't
>> > > give
>> > > > > you
>> > > > > > > any
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>guarantee of
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> what it does with modern code - then
>> maybe
>> > > > some
>> > > > > > > action
>> > > > > > > >> >> can be
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>taken
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> on
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the current build:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - testing
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://github.com/vackosar/
>> > > > gitflow-incremental-builder
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/khmarbaise/
>> > > > > > > >> incremental-module-builder
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> maybe
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>or
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> do
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the same kind of extension including
>> the
>> > > beam
>> > > > > > needs
>> > > > > > > >> (/!\
>> > > > > > > >> >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> previous
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> warning is still accurate and requires
>> a
>> > > full
>> > > > > run
>> > > > > > at
>> > > > > > > >> some
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>point to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> validate the graph detection algorithm
>> > > didn't
>> > > > > get
>> > > > > > > >> abused
>> > > > > > > >> >> by
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> indirect code dependency)
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - maybe try to get rid of some shades
>> (it
>> > > is a
>> > > > > bit
>> > > > > > > >> crazy
>> > > > > > > >> >> ATM
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to have
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> so much shades no?)
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - the CI can have profiles based on a
>> PR
>> > > > > > convention
>> > > > > > > >> (name
>> > > > > > > >> >> of
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> branch?) to select the build profile,
>> for
>> > > > > instance
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fb/elasticsearch_super-nice-PR would
>> build
>> > > > only
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>elasticsearch
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> modules, jenkins/travis have this
>> ability
>> > > > since
>> > > > > > they
>> > > > > > > >> >> support
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> scripting
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - document how to setup a "fastBuild"
>> > > profile
>> > > > in
>> > > > > > its
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>settings.xml
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which bypasses checkstyle, enforcer
>> > plugin,
>> > > > > > > findbugs,
>> > > > > > > >> >> etc...
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fast
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development iterations
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog |
>> Github |
>> > > > > > LinkedIn
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-01 21:02 GMT+01:00 Kenneth
>> Knowles
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><[email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I have started one, here:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/
>> > > > > kennknowles/beam/commits/bazel
>> > > > > > .
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It is not nearly as far along as
>> Luke's.
>> > > For
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > POC
>> > > > > > > >> I am
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>just
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> putting
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> things in one root BUILD, and learning
>> > > where
>> > > > we
>> > > > > > > might
>> > > > > > > >> >> find
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> necessary
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> plugins as I go. I am happy to grant
>> push
>> > > > > access
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > >> this
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>branch.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> It
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> would
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> be superb if you had some time to work
>> > > > through
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> Python
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>steps.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Ahmet
>> > > Altay
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone started a POC with Bazel? I
>> > > would
>> > > > be
>> > > > > > > >> >> interested
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> in
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> helping that
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> effort.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:27 AM,
>> Lukasz
>> > > Cwik
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have started a POC for using Gradle
>> > > here:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/lukecwik/in
>> > > > > > > >> cubator-beam/tree/gradle
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that work:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * compiling all Java code (src/main
>> and
>> > > > > > src/test)
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from protos
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from avro
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running rat, checkstyle
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Partially working:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating maven pom (albeit with
>> > wrong
>> > > > > > > >> dependencies
>> > > > > > > >> >> for
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> subprojects)
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running tests (~80% pass,
>> remainder
>> > > seem
>> > > > to
>> > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> dependency
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> related but
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> uninvestigated)
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that don't work:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything Python/Go/Docker
>> compilation
>> > > > > related
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * many tests fail because I messed
>> up
>> > > > > > > dependencies
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything shading related
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * minor plugins like eclipse code
>> > > > > formatter/...
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running
>> > @NeedsRunner/@ValidatesRunner/
>> > > > > > > >> integration
>> > > > > > > >> >> tests
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to reach out to me on
>> Slack
>> > if
>> > > > you
>> > > > > > > would
>> > > > > > > >> >> like to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>try
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> tackle
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of the POC to prevent
>> duplication
>> > > of
>> > > > > > effort
>> > > > > > > >> from
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>anyone
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> working on
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:25 PM,
>> > > > > Jean-Baptiste
>> > > > > > > >> Onofré
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Agree to move forward on a PoC.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Reuven for bringing
>> discussion
>> > on
>> > > > the
>> > > > > > > >> mailing
>> > > > > > > >> >> list
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>!
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, 03:20, at 03:20,
>> > Reuven
>> > > > Lax
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some good discussion here, and
>> thanks
>> > > to
>> > > > JB
>> > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > >> >> Romain
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> adding to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it!
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB makes the good point that we
>> still
>> > > > need
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > >> release
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many Beam users want to develop
>> using
>> > > > > Maven.
>> > > > > > So
>> > > > > > > >> none
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>> as
>> > we
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > interested,
>> > > > I
>> > > > > > see
>> > > > > > > no
>> > > > > > > >> >> harm
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> in
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> give
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>> > > > > > > better
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>> > > > > > > >> give us
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven does.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reuven
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:05 AM,
>> > > Charles
>> > > > > > Chen
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a contributor to the Beam
>> Python
>> > > SDK,
>> > > > I
>> > > > > > > >> noticed
>> > > > > > > >> >> that
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> many
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > pertain
>> > > > > > > mostly
>> > > > > > > >> to
>> > > > > > > >> >> Java
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > much
>> > > > less
>> > > > > > > >> natural,
>> > > > > > > >> >> and
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>we
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> and
>> > > > tests.
>> > > > > > For
>> > > > > > > >> >> Python
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>SDK
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SDK development), an option to
>> use
>> > > Bazel
>> > > > > > would
>> > > > > > > >> be
>> > > > > > > >> >> quite
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM
>> > > Robert
>> > > > > > > Bradshaw
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, Maven is both a build tool
>> and a
>> > > > > > > >> repository, and
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> latter is
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essential to keep. Both Gradel
>> and
>> > > > Bazel
>> > > > > > can
>> > > > > > > >> >> interface
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repository.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am, however, very supportive
>> of
>> > > > moving
>> > > > > > away
>> > > > > > > >> from
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that supports correct
>> incremental,
>> > > > > > hermetic,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> dependency-driven,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-langauge, and hopefully
>> fast
>> > > > builds
>> > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > >> our
>> > > > > > > >> >> own
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:00
>> AM,
>> > > > Kenneth
>> > > > > > > >> Knowles
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Echoing what JB and Reuven
>> said,
>> > we
>> > > > > > > absolutely
>> > > > > > > >> >> must
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> provide
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> central
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts for Java users, just
>> as
>> > we
>> > > > > > provide
>> > > > > > > >> pypi
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts for
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Python
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Maven as still a viable
>> tool
>> > > for
>> > > > > > > >> >> single-module
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Java
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> builds,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially considering its rich
>> > > plugin
>> > > > > > > >> ecosystem.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:27
>> PM,
>> > > > Reuven
>> > > > > > Lax
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that's a very good
>> point.
>> > No
>> > > > > > matter
>> > > > > > > >> what
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own personal development,
>> we
>> > > > still
>> > > > > > need
>> > > > > > > >> to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> release
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases as we need to support
>> > our
>> > > > > users
>> > > > > > > >> using
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> Maven.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:26
>> PM,
>> > > > > > > >> Jean-Baptiste
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Onofré <
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally speaking, it's
>> > > interesting
>> > > > to
>> > > > > > > >> evaluate
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives,
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gradle. My point is also to
>> keep
>> > > > Maven
>> > > > > > > >> artifacts
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our users will use Maven.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For incremental build, afair,
>> > > > there's
>> > > > > > some
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements on
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to take a look.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, 07:22, at
>> > 07:22,
>> > > > > Eugene
>> > > > > > > >> >> Kirpichov
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these points sound
>> > valid,
>> > > > but
>> > > > > > > >> AFAICT
>> > > > > > > >> >> Maven
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental builds [1]. The
>> > best
>> > > it
>> > > > > can
>> > > > > > > do
>> > > > > > > >> is,
>> > > > > > > >> >> it
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > compilation
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > >> tiny
>> > > > > > > >> >> part
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > other
>> > > > > > > plugins,
>> > > > > > > >> >> such as
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> findbugs
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - and Maven does not seem to
>> > > > > currently
>> > > > > > > >> support
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > the
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>> > > > > > > >> didn't
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> next
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>> > > > > small
>> > > > > > > >> number
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>> > > trump
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>> > > numbers
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>> > > > questions/8918165/does-maven-
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
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>> 10:57
>> > PM
>> > > > > Romain
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > I'd
>> > > > > > > >> like
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven stays the most
>> common
>> > > > build
>> > > > > > tool
>> > > > > > > >> and
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > hope
>> > > > > > > >> contributions
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> IMHO.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven has incremental
>> > support
>> > > > but
>> > > > > if
>> > > > > > > >> there
>> > > > > > > >> >> is
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> enhance
>> > it
>> > > > (has
>> > > > > > > been
>> > > > > > > >> done
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle hides issues
>> easily
>> > > with
>> > > > > its
>> > > > > > > >> daemon
>> > > > > > > >> >> so
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle doesnt isolate
>> > plugins
>> > > > well
>> > > > > > > >> enough so
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesnt conflict
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Only Maven is correctly
>> > > > supported
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> mainstream
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the reasons why I
>> > think
>> > > > > Maven
>> > > > > > is
>> > > > > > > >> >> better
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> -
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF points.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Maven is not perfect
>> but
>> > > some
>> > > > > > quick
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements can
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - A fast build profile can
>> be
>> > > > > created
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Takari scheduler can be
>> used
>> > > yo
>> > > > > > > enhance
>> > > > > > > >> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> parallel
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Scripts can be provided
>> to
>> > > > build a
>> > > > > > > >> subpart
>> > > > > > > >> >> of
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> project
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - A beam extension can
>> surely
>> > be
>> > > > > done
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> optimize
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more easily based on module
>> > > names
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Romain
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 31 oct. 2017 06:42,
>> > > > > "Jean-Baptiste
>> > > > > > > >> Onofré"
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -0
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the following reasons
>> > > reasons:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - maven is a Apache project
>> > and
>> > > we
>> > > > > can
>> > > > > > > >> have
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support/improvement
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I don't see how another
>> > build
>> > > > tool
>> > > > > > > would
>> > > > > > > >> >> speed
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> up
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache default release
>> > process
>> > > > is
>> > > > > > > based
>> > > > > > > >> on
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Maven
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, Gradle
>> > could
>> > > be
>> > > > > > > >> >> interesting.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017, 18:46, at
>> > > 18:46,
>> > > > > Ted
>> > > > > > Yu
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with Ben's
>> comment.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently I have been using
>> > > gradle
>> > > > > in
>> > > > > > > >> another
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Apache
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project and
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> --
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> [email protected]
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> --
>> > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
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