There has been plenty of time for comments on the PR and the approach. So far Ken Knowles has provided the most feedback on the PR, Ken would you like to finish the review?
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is only a setup thing and better to not break the master history for > poc/tests, in particular when no very localized. Alternative can be to ask > another temp repo to infra and have a synchro between both but dont think > it does worth it personally. > > > > Le 10 nov. 2017 18:57, "Lukasz Cwik" <lc...@google.com.invalid> a écrit : > > > The reason to get it on master is because that is where all the PRs are. > An > > upstream branch without any development means no data. > > Also, our Jenkins setup via job-dsl doesn't honor using the Jenkins > > configuration on the branch because the seed job always runs against > > master. > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > What about pushing it on a "upstream" branch and testing it for 1 week > in > > > parallel of the maven reference build? If gradle is always 50% faster > on > > > jenkins then it could become master setup without much discussion I > > guess. > > > We can even have 2 jenkins jobs: one with the daemon etc and one > without. > > > > > > Also noticed yesterday that gradle build is killing my machine (all 8 > > cores > > > are 100%) during the first minutes vs maven build which let me do > > something > > > else. Then all the consumed time which makes gradle not that fast is > > about > > > python. Will try to send figures later today. > > > > > > Le 10 nov. 2017 00:10, "Lukasz Cwik" <lc...@google.com.invalid> a > écrit > > : > > > > > > > I wouldn't mind merging this change in so I could setup those Gradle > > > > Jenkins precommits. > > > > > > > > As per our contribution guidelines, any committer willing to sign off > > on > > > > the PR? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Le 9 nov. 2017 21:31, "Kenneth Knowles" <k...@google.com.invalid> a > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > Keep in mind that a clean build is unusual during development (it > is > > > > common > > > > > for mvn use and that is a bug) and also not necessary for > precommits > > if > > > > the > > > > > build tool is correct enough that caching is safe. So while this > > number > > > > > matters, it is not the most important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure, in dev you bypass the build tool most of the time anyway > - > > > > thanks > > > > > to IDE or other shortcuts - but not on PR and CI. Keep in mind that > > not > > > > > doing a clean and killing gradle daemon makes the build not > > > reproducible > > > > > and therefore useful :(. Starting to build from a subpart of the > > > reactor > > > > - > > > > > with the mentionned mvn plugin for instance - can be nice on some > CI > > > like > > > > > travis if the caching is well configured but still not a guarantee > > the > > > > > build is "green". > > > > > > > > > > My trade off is to ensure an easy build and relevant result over > the > > > time > > > > > criteria. Do you share it as well or prefer time over other > criteria > > - > > > > > which leads to other conclusions and options indeed and can make us > > not > > > > > understanding each other? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I will try next week yes but the 2 runs i did were 28mn vs 32mn > > from > > > > > memory > > > > > > - after having downloaded all deps once. > > > > > > > > > > > > Le 9 nov. 2017 19:45, "Lukasz Cwik" <lc...@google.com.invalid> a > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Gradle was slow, do you mind running the build with > --profile > > > and > > > > > > > sharing that and also sharing the Maven build log? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Lukasz Cwik <lc...@google.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Romain, I don't understand your last comment, were you trying > > to > > > > say > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you had the same Gradle build times like I did and it was an > > > > > > improvement > > > > > > > > over Maven or that you did not and you experienced build > times > > > that > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > equivalent to Maven? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > > > rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2017-11-09 18:38 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles > > > <k...@google.com.invalid > > > > > >: > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > > > >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> (this is another topic so we can maybe open another > thread) > > > > issue > > > > > > is > > > > > > > >> >> not much about python but more about the fact the build > is > > > not > > > > > self > > > > > > > >> >> contained. it is a maven build and maven should be > > sufficient > > > > > > without > > > > > > > >> >> having to install python + dependencies. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Let's leave out the topic of whether our build should > > install > > > > > things > > > > > > > >> like > > > > > > > >> > JDKs, Python, Golang, Docker, protoc, findbugs, RAT, etc. > > That > > > > > issue > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > >> > somewhat independent of build tool, and the new build > isn't > > > > worse > > > > > > than > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> > old one as far as it goes. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Yep, globally the same time with clean and killing the > daemon. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Kenn > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> I don't see any technical > > > > > > > >> >> blockers to do it (except time ;)) but it is always a bit > > > > > annoying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> >> git clone then not be able to build. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> 2017-11-09 18:07 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik > > > > <lc...@google.com.invalid > > > > > >: > > > > > > > >> >> > Hmm, I have had good luck when following the Python > quick > > > > start > > > > > > > setup > > > > > > > >> >> > <https://beam.apache.org/get-started/quickstart-py/> > on > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > >> >> machines > > > > > > > >> >> > by ensuring the installed version of setuptools, > > virtualenv > > > > and > > > > > > pip > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > > >> >> new > > > > > > > >> >> > enough versions. > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > You can always skip the Python portion of the build by > > > > > excluding > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> >> build > > > > > > > >> >> > task as so: > > > > > > > >> >> > ./gradlew build -x ":beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks- > > > > python:build" > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau < > > > > > > > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> >> > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> The 1.3.5 file is when i installed the python > > dependencies > > > > > > > manually > > > > > > > >> >> >> to make the build passing (the pip command never > passed > > on > > > > my > > > > > > > >> computer > > > > > > > >> >> >> and therefore the build always has been broken until i > > > > > installed > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > >> >> >> manually - independently from the build tool). > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > >> >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> 2017-11-09 17:51 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik > > > > > <lc...@google.com.invalid > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > It turns out that the Apache Rat Ant task and the > > Apache > > > > Rat > > > > > > > Maven > > > > > > > >> >> plugin > > > > > > > >> >> >> > differ in that the plugin automatically excludes > > certain > > > > > files > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > >> >> default > > > > > > > >> >> >> > while the Ant task does not. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > See: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > http://creadur.apache.org/rat/ > > > > apache-rat-plugin/check-mojo. > > > > > > > >> >> >> html#useDefaultExcludes > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > I fixed the list to exclude ".idea/" instead of > > "idea/" > > > > > since > > > > > > > >> there > > > > > > > >> >> was a > > > > > > > >> >> >> > typo. > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > I have no idea what the file "=1.3.5" is. Can you > > take a > > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> > contents? > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:03 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau > < > > > > > > > >> >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Ok, the rat issues I got were: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/.idea/* > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> == File: /home/rmannibucau/1_dev/beam/ > > > sdks/python/=1.3.5 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> The first one could be in my default exclude - even > > if > > > > > > > >> eclipse/idea > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> files should be in the default exclude set of beam > > rat > > > > > config > > > > > > > >> IMHO, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> the last one is more a "?" can probably be exclude > as > > > > well > > > > > if > > > > > > > >> created > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> by the build at some point. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> 2017-11-08 19:17 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > > > > > > j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > > > >> >: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Thanks for the update. I was swamped on some > > > meetings. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > >> back to > > > > > > > >> >> >> test > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> the latest changes. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Regards > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > JB > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > On Nov 8, 2017, 18:56, at 18:56, Lukasz Cwik > > > > > > > >> >> <lc...@google.com.INVALID > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Thanks everyone for trying this build out in > > > different > > > > > > > >> workspaces / > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>configurations. This will help make sure the > build > > > > works > > > > > > for > > > > > > > >> more > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>people > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>and will get rid of any rough edges. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Performance (All): > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven performs parallelization at the module > level, > > > an > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > >> >> module > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>needs > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to complete before any dependent modules can > start, > > > > this > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > >> >> running > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>all > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the checks like findbugs, checkstyle, tests need > to > > > > > finish. > > > > > > > >> Gradle > > > > > > > >> >> has > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>task > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>level parallelism between subprojects which means > > > that > > > > as > > > > > > > soon > > > > > > > >> as > > > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>compile and shade steps are done for a project, > and > > > > > > dependent > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>subprojects > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>can typically start. This means that we get > > increased > > > > > > > >> parallelism > > > > > > > >> >> due > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>not needing to wait for findbugs, checkstyle, > tests > > > to > > > > > > run. I > > > > > > > >> >> >> typically > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>see > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~20 tasks (at peak) running on my desktop in > > > parallel. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Apache Rat (JB / Romain): > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>What files are in the rat report that fail (its > > > likely > > > > > that > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > >> >> >> missing > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some exclusion for a build time artifact)? Also, > > > please > > > > > try > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> >> build > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>again > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>after running `git clean -fdx` in your workspace. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Python (JB): > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>As for the Python SDK, you'll need to share more > > > > details > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>failure. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Gradle 4.3: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>I would like to defer the swap to Gradle 4.3 > until > > > > after > > > > > > this > > > > > > > >> PR > > > > > > > >> >> since > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>it > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>will be a much smaller set of changes. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:54 AM, Jean-Baptiste > > > Onofré < > > > > > > > >> >> >> j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Same for me for rat and python build too: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> FAILURE: Build completed with 2 failures. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 1: Task failed with an exception. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ----------- > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task ':rat'. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > Found 905 files with unapproved/unknown > > licenses. > > > > See > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> file:/home/jbonofre/Workspace/ > > > > > > beam/build/reports/rat/rat- > > > > > > > >> >> report.txt > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * Try: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Run with --stacktrace option to get the stack > > > trace. > > > > > Run > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > >> >> --info > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>or > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> --debug option to get more log output. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ============================== > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ================== > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 2: Task failed with an exception. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> ----------- > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * Where: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Build file '/home/jbonofre/Workspace/ > > > > > > > >> >> beam/sdks/python/build.gradle' > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>line: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 64 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> * What went wrong: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Execution failed for task > > > > ':beam-sdks-parent:beam-sdks- > > > > > > > >> >> >> python:lint'. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > Process 'command 'tox'' finished with > non-zero > > > exit > > > > > > > value 1 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> On 11/08/2017 09:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> gradle branch doesnt build for me (some rat > > > issues) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | > > > LinkedIn > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> 2017-11-08 5:41 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste > Onofré < > > > > > > > >> j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > > > >> >> >: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Great ! > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> What explain these difference ? I'm curious > > > > > especially > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>clean > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> build > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> all Java modules: is it a question of > parallel > > > > > > execution > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Regards > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> JB > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> On 11/08/2017 02:59 AM, Lukasz Cwik wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> The Gradle POC has made significant advances > > > since > > > > > > last > > > > > > > >> week > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>(shading, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Python, Go, Docker builds, ...). I believe > the > > > > > current > > > > > > > >> state > > > > > > > >> >> is > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>close > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> enough to the Maven build system to warrant > a > > > > > > > comparison. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> The largest build differences I noticed are: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Full build takes about ~22mins using > Gradle > > > > > > > >> (parallelizing > > > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>three > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> rounds of Python tests would reduce this to > > > > ~17mins) > > > > > > > >> compared > > > > > > > >> >> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~38mins > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> in > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Clean build all Java modules (skipping > over > > > > > > Go/Python > > > > > > > >> <https://goto.google.com/Python> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> <https://goto.google.com/Python>) takes > > ~8mins > > > in > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Gradle which takes ~36mins in Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> * Build output is cached allowing for faster > > > > > > subsequent > > > > > > > >> builds > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>with > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> "gradle > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> buildDependents" allowing for most single > > module > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > >> >> taking > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>~2mins > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> build and test without needing to rely on > "mvn > > > > > > install" > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I have opened PR 4096 < > > > https://github.com/apache/ > > > > > > > >> >> beam/pull/4096> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>so > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> the Gradle build files merged and then > follow > > up > > > > > with > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > >> >> Jenkins > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> precommits which are powered by Gradle. This > > > will > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>community to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> continuing contributing to the Gradle build > > and > > > > also > > > > > > > allow > > > > > > > >> >> for a > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> comparison > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> of the precommit times on the Jenkins > executor > > > > when > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven/Gradle. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> suggest that those who are interested try > out > > > the > > > > > PR. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:29 PM, > Jean-Baptiste > > > > > Onofré > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> That makes sense. The point is that we have > to > > > > > compare > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>equivalently. I'm > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> also curious about Gradle PoC assuming it > > does > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > >> >> actions > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>as > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Maven. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Regards > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> JB > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 20:41, at 20:41, Kenneth > > > Knowles > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> <k...@google.com.INVALID> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'm confident that any choice will speed > > > things > > > > up > > > > > > > >> >> dramatically > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>even > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> beyond > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a fast profile, even if the new tool runs > > all > > > > the > > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > >> >> stuff. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>But > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a question that we can answer empirically > > > > anyhow. > > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > >> see > > > > > > > >> >> how > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>it > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> goes! > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Incidentally, my experiments with Bazel > have > > > led > > > > > me > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>conclusion > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> that > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> it is not the right choice for us so I'm > not > > > > going > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>proposing any > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> completed POC of that right now. I'm > > > interested > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> >> outcome > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>of the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Gradle POC. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Kenn > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:30 AM, > > Jean-Baptiste > > > > > Onofré > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Hi > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> It's what I said in a previous e-mail: I > > > don't > > > > > > think > > > > > > > >> that > > > > > > > >> >> just > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> changing > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> the build tool will improve a lot the > build > > > > time. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> We already know (and discussed while ago) > > > that > > > > > > > plugins > > > > > > > >> like > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>findbugs, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> checkstyle, etc are taking time. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So, I think we can already have a fast > > > profile. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> JB > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2017, 11:16, at 11:16, Romain > > > > > Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> when you check the duration of each mojo > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > build > > > > > > > >> >> (almost > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>since > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> python part of the build just breaks it > > > > locally) > > > > > > you > > > > > > > >> see > > > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>there > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> is > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> no real link with maven for the perf > > issues > > > > beam > > > > > > can > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>encounter: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/ > > > > > > > >> >> f65fdde28d5dab0fdac50633 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> f84554c9 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (generated from the profiling of > > > tesla-profile > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> parsed > > > > > > > >> >> >> with > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://gist.github.com/rmannibucau/ > > > > > e329d54b8af6c009f46fd1 > > > > > > > >> 51d10037 > > > > > > > >> >> ad > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> ) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Before PoC-ing other tools which will > end > > up > > > > to > > > > > > > either > > > > > > > >> >> have > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the same > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issues if the other builds do the same > > > things > > > > > > (test, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>checkstyle, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enforcer, findbugs, ...) or have a less > > > > reliable > > > > > > > build > > > > > > > >> >> >> (trying > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> skip > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> some parts of the build if "untouched" - > > > note > > > > > that > > > > > > > >> this > > > > > > > >> >> is a > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>very > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> hard > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issue since static code anaylizis > doesn't > > > give > > > > > you > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>guarantee of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> what it does with modern code - then > maybe > > > > some > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > >> >> can be > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>taken > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> on > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the current build: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - testing > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://github.com/vackosar/ > > > > gitflow-incremental-builder > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/khmarbaise/ > > > > > > > >> incremental-module-builder > > > > > > > >> >> >> maybe > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>or > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> do > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the same kind of extension including the > > > beam > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > >> (/!\ > > > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> previous > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> warning is still accurate and requires a > > > full > > > > > run > > > > > > at > > > > > > > >> some > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>point to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> validate the graph detection algorithm > > > didn't > > > > > get > > > > > > > >> abused > > > > > > > >> >> by > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> indirect code dependency) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - maybe try to get rid of some shades > (it > > > is a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > >> crazy > > > > > > > >> >> ATM > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>to have > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> so much shades no?) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - the CI can have profiles based on a PR > > > > > > convention > > > > > > > >> (name > > > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> branch?) to select the build profile, > for > > > > > instance > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fb/elasticsearch_super-nice-PR would > build > > > > only > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>elasticsearch > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> modules, jenkins/travis have this > ability > > > > since > > > > > > they > > > > > > > >> >> support > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> scripting > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> - document how to setup a "fastBuild" > > > profile > > > > in > > > > > > its > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>settings.xml > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> which bypasses checkstyle, enforcer > > plugin, > > > > > > > findbugs, > > > > > > > >> >> etc... > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> fast > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development iterations > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | > Github | > > > > > > LinkedIn > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-01 21:02 GMT+01:00 Kenneth > Knowles > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >><k...@google.com.invalid > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I have started one, here: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ > > > > > kennknowles/beam/commits/bazel > > > > > > . > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> It is not nearly as far along as > Luke's. > > > For > > > > > the > > > > > > > POC > > > > > > > >> I am > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>just > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> putting > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> things in one root BUILD, and learning > > > where > > > > we > > > > > > > might > > > > > > > >> >> find > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> necessary > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> plugins as I go. I am happy to grant > push > > > > > access > > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> this > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>branch. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> It > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> would > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> be superb if you had some time to work > > > > through > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> Python > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>steps. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Ahmet > > > Altay > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <al...@google.com.invalid> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone started a POC with Bazel? I > > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > >> >> interested > > > > > > > >> >> >> in > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> helping that > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> effort. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Lukasz > > > Cwik > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <lc...@google.com.invalid> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have started a POC for using Gradle > > > here: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/lukecwik/in > > > > > > > >> cubator-beam/tree/gradle > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that work: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * compiling all Java code (src/main > and > > > > > > src/test) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from protos > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating source from avro > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running rat, checkstyle > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Partially working: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * generating maven pom (albeit with > > wrong > > > > > > > >> dependencies > > > > > > > >> >> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>some > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> subprojects) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running tests (~80% pass, remainder > > > seem > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > >> >> >> dependency > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> related but > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> uninvestigated) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Things that don't work: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything Python/Go/Docker > compilation > > > > > related > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * many tests fail because I messed up > > > > > > > dependencies > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * anything shading related > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * minor plugins like eclipse code > > > > > formatter/... > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * running > > @NeedsRunner/@ValidatesRunner/ > > > > > > > >> integration > > > > > > > >> >> tests > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to reach out to me on Slack > > if > > > > you > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > >> >> like to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>try > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> tackle > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> a > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of the POC to prevent > duplication > > > of > > > > > > effort > > > > > > > >> from > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>anyone > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> working on > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:25 PM, > > > > > Jean-Baptiste > > > > > > > >> Onofré > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Agree to move forward on a PoC. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Reuven for bringing > discussion > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > >> mailing > > > > > > > >> >> list > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>! > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2017, 03:20, at 03:20, > > Reuven > > > > Lax > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <re...@google.com.INVALID> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some good discussion here, and > thanks > > > to > > > > JB > > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> >> Romain > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> adding to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it! > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB makes the good point that we > still > > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > > >> release > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many Beam users want to develop > using > > > > > Maven. > > > > > > So > > > > > > > >> none > > > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>this > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will affect our release process, as > > we > > > > > still > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > >> >> Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> "releases." > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At this point, if people are > > > interested, > > > > I > > > > > > see > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > >> >> harm > > > > > > > >> >> >> in > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prototyping. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having working alternatives will > give > > > us > > > > a > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > >> >> basis > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> comparison > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand whether these other > build > > > > > systems > > > > > > > >> give us > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> anything > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> over > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> what > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven does. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reuven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:05 AM, > > > Charles > > > > > > Chen > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> <c...@google.com.invalid > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a contributor to the Beam Python > > > SDK, > > > > I > > > > > > > >> noticed > > > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> many > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> of the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above regarding Maven and Gradle > > > pertain > > > > > > > mostly > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >> >> Java > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> SDK > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Python development, Maven is > > much > > > > less > > > > > > > >> natural, > > > > > > > >> >> and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>we > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> end up > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelling out to perform builds and > > > > tests. > > > > > > For > > > > > > > >> >> Python > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>SDK > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> (and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming Go > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SDK development), an option to use > > > Bazel > > > > > > would > > > > > > > >> be > > > > > > > >> >> quite > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> useful. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM > > > Robert > > > > > > > Bradshaw > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rober...@google.com.invalid> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, Maven is both a build tool > and a > > > > > > > >> repository, and > > > > > > > >> >> >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> latter is > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essential to keep. Both Gradel > and > > > > Bazel > > > > > > can > > > > > > > >> >> interface > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> with > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> this > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repository. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am, however, very supportive of > > > > moving > > > > > > away > > > > > > > >> from > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> a tool > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that supports correct > incremental, > > > > > > hermetic, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> dependency-driven, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multi-langauge, and hopefully > fast > > > > builds > > > > > > for > > > > > > > >> our > > > > > > > >> >> own > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> development. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:00 AM, > > > > Kenneth > > > > > > > >> Knowles > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <k...@google.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Echoing what JB and Reuven said, > > we > > > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > >> >> must > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> provide > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> central > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts for Java users, just > as > > we > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > >> pypi > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> artifacts for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Python > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see Maven as still a viable > tool > > > for > > > > > > > >> >> single-module > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Java > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> builds, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially considering its rich > > > plugin > > > > > > > >> ecosystem. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:27 > PM, > > > > Reuven > > > > > > Lax > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <re...@google.com.invalid > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that's a very good > point. > > No > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > >> what > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> build > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> system > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our own personal development, > we > > > > still > > > > > > need > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> release > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases as we need to support > > our > > > > > users > > > > > > > >> using > > > > > > > >> >> >> Maven. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:26 > PM, > > > > > > > >> Jean-Baptiste > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Onofré < > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> j...@nanthrax.net > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally speaking, it's > > > interesting > > > > to > > > > > > > >> evaluate > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gradle. My point is also to > keep > > > > Maven > > > > > > > >> artifacts > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" as > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our users will use Maven. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For incremental build, afair, > > > > there's > > > > > > some > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements on > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to take a look. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2017, 07:22, at > > 07:22, > > > > > Eugene > > > > > > > >> >> Kirpichov > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kirpic...@google.com.INVALID > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these points sound > > valid, > > > > but > > > > > > > >> AFAICT > > > > > > > >> >> Maven > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental builds [1]. The > > best > > > it > > > > > can > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > >> is, > > > > > > > >> >> it > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seems, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recompile > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed files, but Java > > > compilation > > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > >> tiny > > > > > > > >> >> part > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Almost all time is taken by > > other > > > > > > > plugins, > > > > > > > >> >> such as > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> unit > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing or > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> findbugs > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - and Maven does not seem to > > > > > currently > > > > > > > >> support > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> features such > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as "do > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rerun unit tests of a module > if > > > the > > > > > > code > > > > > > > >> didn't > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> change". > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that the surefire > > plugin > > > > has > > > > > > > >> existed > > > > > > > >> >> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> 11 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> years > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (version > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.0 > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was released in 2006) and > still > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > >> have > > > > > > > >> >> this > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> feature > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes me > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it's unlikely to be > > > supported > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> next > > > > > > > >> >> few > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> years > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect most PRs affect a > > very > > > > > small > > > > > > > >> number > > > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> modules, so > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance advantage of a > > build > > > > > system > > > > > > > >> truly > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> supporting > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incremental > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builds > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be so overwhelming as to > > > trump > > > > > many > > > > > > > >> other > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> factors. Of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to prototype and have hard > > > numbers > > > > in > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > >> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> discuss > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> this > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> substance. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>https://stackoverflow.com/ > > > > questions/8918165/does-maven- > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support-incremental-builds > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:57 > > PM > > > > > Romain > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Manni-Bucau > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rmannibu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if not a commiter or > even > > > > PMC, > > > > > > I'd > > > > > > > >> like > > > > > > > >> >> to > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> mention a > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an external eye: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven stays the most > common > > > > build > > > > > > tool > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> easier > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> one > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means it is the best one to > > hope > > > > > > > >> contributions > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> IMHO. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Maven has incremental > > support > > > > but > > > > > if > > > > > > > >> there > > > > > > > >> >> is > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> any > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> blocker > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is probably ready to enhance > > it > > > > (has > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > >> done > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> compiler > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugin > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance) > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle hides issues easily > > > with > > > > > its > > > > > > > >> daemon > > > > > > > >> >> so > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> a > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> build > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> daemon is > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Gradle doesnt isolate > > plugins > > > > well > > > > > > > >> enough so > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> ensure your > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planned > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesnt conflict > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Only Maven is correctly > > > > supported > > > > > in > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> mainstream > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS/free IDE > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the reasons why I > > think > > > > > Maven > > > > > > is > > > > > > > >> >> better > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> - > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not even > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entering > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF points. > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Maven is not perfect but > > > some > > > > > > quick > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> enhancements can > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done: > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - A fast build profile can > be > > > > > created > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Takari scheduler can be > used > > > yo > > > > > > > enhance > > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> parallel > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Scripts can be provided to > > > > build a > > > > > > > >> subpart > > > > > > > >> >> of > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> project > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 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