+1 to Guillaume. I would not like to act like Camus or Sartre on these kinds of matters, to me, it is simple, if you think there is barrier, then there is. Overall meritocracy is covering all these kinds matters and embraceful enough for anything. And these are technical terms. Changing language or phylosophical meta or whatever we call them would never ever solve such kind of problem. Of course it is an act. History will live forever with all its problem bringing to today unless erased from everybody's minds. Keeping short and sweet hopefully,
I personally see no reason. My 2 cents.. Cheers On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 13:16 Maria Arias de Reyna Dominguez, < maria...@redhat.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:14 PM Rich Bowen <rbo...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2020/11/09 12:49:43, Guillaume Nodet <gno...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Not really. Those are technical terms, and I don't really see any > benefits > > > in changing them. > > > > I would encourage you to read the various documents at > https://github.com/conscious-lang/conscious-lang-docs regarding the > benefits in changing them. > > > > In short, the benefit is 1) removing barriers to new contributors who > feel marginalized by the terms and 2) objectively clearer language to > explain those technical terms. > > > > If I may... I know I'm fairly new in Camel, but it's true that > language creates conscious and subconscious barriers. > > As white-ish I can't relate with the issues with white/black lists and > master/slave. But I can understand them because when the language used > is "too macho" I tend to be repelled to interact further. This is > usually not a conscious thing I do, but there's some kind of alarm > that starts somewhere in my head telling me it is not a safe space for > me, that people using that language usually are people that hate and > denigrate women and I am not going to be accepted as an equal. > > So, even if I don't feel bad reading those words, I can understand why > other people may feel bad and don't feel comfortable mingling with the > rest of us. > > Changing those words is an easy step for us, there's no real change in > the technology behind, there's nothing that will fundamentally change > for us. We just use a synonym and that's it. > > But this change may attract other developers we are repelling right now. > > +1 for me > > Cheers! > María. > >
