My .2 cents: I don't see any problems replacing the terms.
As pointed out, they are usually replaced by terms that are clearer and usually represent better their intentions (+ 0.5). I know that I am fairly new and I don't intend to lecture anyone on community building. However, I think that, maybe we should consider the fact that they also make the community more inviting to others (+0.5). So, for me, that would be a +1 for replacing the terms. Kind regards On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:00 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote: > Fully agree, and I have to same concern in other projects (Karaf, > ActiveMQ, …). > > 1. These are technical terms without any "allusion" > 2. I don’t like with "company" policy are pushed to open source project. > Of course, it can be openly discussed. > > Regards > JB > > > Le 27 nov. 2020 à 19:03, Onder SEZGIN <ondersez...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > +1 to Guillaume. > > > > I would not like to act like Camus or Sartre on these kinds of matters, > to > > me, it is simple, if you think there is barrier, then there is. Overall > > meritocracy is covering all these kinds matters and embraceful enough for > > anything. > > And these are technical terms. > > Changing language or phylosophical meta or whatever we call them would > > never ever solve such kind of problem. Of course it is an act. History > will > > live forever with all its problem bringing to today unless erased from > > everybody's minds. > > Keeping short and sweet hopefully, > > > > I personally see no reason. > > > > My 2 cents.. > > > > Cheers > > > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 13:16 Maria Arias de Reyna Dominguez, < > > maria...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:14 PM Rich Bowen <rbo...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2020/11/09 12:49:43, Guillaume Nodet <gno...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>> Not really. Those are technical terms, and I don't really see any > >> benefits > >>>> in changing them. > >>> > >>> I would encourage you to read the various documents at > >> https://github.com/conscious-lang/conscious-lang-docs regarding the > >> benefits in changing them. > >>> > >>> In short, the benefit is 1) removing barriers to new contributors who > >> feel marginalized by the terms and 2) objectively clearer language to > >> explain those technical terms. > >>> > >> > >> If I may... I know I'm fairly new in Camel, but it's true that > >> language creates conscious and subconscious barriers. > >> > >> As white-ish I can't relate with the issues with white/black lists and > >> master/slave. But I can understand them because when the language used > >> is "too macho" I tend to be repelled to interact further. This is > >> usually not a conscious thing I do, but there's some kind of alarm > >> that starts somewhere in my head telling me it is not a safe space for > >> me, that people using that language usually are people that hate and > >> denigrate women and I am not going to be accepted as an equal. > >> > >> So, even if I don't feel bad reading those words, I can understand why > >> other people may feel bad and don't feel comfortable mingling with the > >> rest of us. > >> > >> Changing those words is an easy step for us, there's no real change in > >> the technology behind, there's nothing that will fundamentally change > >> for us. We just use a synonym and that's it. > >> > >> But this change may attract other developers we are repelling right now. > >> > >> +1 for me > >> > >> Cheers! > >> María. > >> > >> > > -- Otavio R. Piske http://orpiske.net
