Fully agree, and I have to same concern in other projects (Karaf, ActiveMQ, …).
1. These are technical terms without any "allusion" 2. I don’t like with "company" policy are pushed to open source project. Of course, it can be openly discussed. Regards JB > Le 27 nov. 2020 à 19:03, Onder SEZGIN <ondersez...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > +1 to Guillaume. > > I would not like to act like Camus or Sartre on these kinds of matters, to > me, it is simple, if you think there is barrier, then there is. Overall > meritocracy is covering all these kinds matters and embraceful enough for > anything. > And these are technical terms. > Changing language or phylosophical meta or whatever we call them would > never ever solve such kind of problem. Of course it is an act. History will > live forever with all its problem bringing to today unless erased from > everybody's minds. > Keeping short and sweet hopefully, > > I personally see no reason. > > My 2 cents.. > > Cheers > > On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 13:16 Maria Arias de Reyna Dominguez, < > maria...@redhat.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 10:14 PM Rich Bowen <rbo...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2020/11/09 12:49:43, Guillaume Nodet <gno...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> Not really. Those are technical terms, and I don't really see any >> benefits >>>> in changing them. >>> >>> I would encourage you to read the various documents at >> https://github.com/conscious-lang/conscious-lang-docs regarding the >> benefits in changing them. >>> >>> In short, the benefit is 1) removing barriers to new contributors who >> feel marginalized by the terms and 2) objectively clearer language to >> explain those technical terms. >>> >> >> If I may... I know I'm fairly new in Camel, but it's true that >> language creates conscious and subconscious barriers. >> >> As white-ish I can't relate with the issues with white/black lists and >> master/slave. But I can understand them because when the language used >> is "too macho" I tend to be repelled to interact further. This is >> usually not a conscious thing I do, but there's some kind of alarm >> that starts somewhere in my head telling me it is not a safe space for >> me, that people using that language usually are people that hate and >> denigrate women and I am not going to be accepted as an equal. >> >> So, even if I don't feel bad reading those words, I can understand why >> other people may feel bad and don't feel comfortable mingling with the >> rest of us. >> >> Changing those words is an easy step for us, there's no real change in >> the technology behind, there's nothing that will fundamentally change >> for us. We just use a synonym and that's it. >> >> But this change may attract other developers we are repelling right now. >> >> +1 for me >> >> Cheers! >> María. >> >>
