agreed with Sam we can't claim that race, gender, etc, "are not relevant" when overwhelming evidence to the contrary exists. which means we can't just state our ideals (inclusive, equitable, etc) without *also* explaining why our committer base does not reflect this
this is what I mean when I say I don't think that finding a replacement for "meritocracy" is a good solution. because no matter what term we come up with we have the same problem: our committer base won't reflect it I think it would be much more interesting if as some sort of "core value" we were committed to the ongoing evaluation of our shortcomings wrt inclusion, equity, and so on, and doing something about them On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 22:10, Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.invalid> wrote: > I liked the three sentences Joan outlined, and overall the idea of spelling > out the things we value. > > Thank you! > > > > > On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 06:39, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: > > > I'm travelling and on holiday this week, but my $0.02: > > > > Stop trying to find a single word for what we mean. It's too subtle: > > > > > > When using the word 'Meritocracy', is is important to > > > > explain on which merits the meritocracy is based : > > > > -- community building > > > > -- software construction > > > > -- whatever > > > > > > This is the main issue, and one where the traditional ASF usage of > > > "merit" is subtly different than the dictionary definition: > > > > If it's *so* important to us, break it out into two or three things. > > > > * "The people who do the work get to lead the work" > > * "We remember and like people who do good work" > > * "As time passes, your contributions don't devalue" > > > > etc. > > > > Yes, we're international, and we can tailor this message in other > > languages as necessary. We shouldn't therefore justify use of a > > word that has this many problems and this much baggage in English, > > however. > > > > -Joan > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > >
