+1
I think Swapnil's done an amazing job documenting in confluence.
Swapnil, could you write it up on-list (so the text that's being voted
on is clear and won't be open for editing while the vote is happening)?
If you'd like help, I'd be happy to work on any additional draft work
that you might want to do.
(For transparency's sake, I'm personally still not convinced that it's
the right thing, but that doesn't mean that I'm not willing to follow
the PMC and push it if this is what we decide we want as a community.)
Best,
Issac
On 12/11/2019 4:58 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
I wonder if we have discussed this into the ground sufficiently to
come up with a proposal that we can vote on and report to the board
on? I think there's been great discussion, and that we have consensus
on a number of things. And there are several local groups waiting for
answers, as well as some that appear to have taken silence as
endorsement.
On 12/4/19 3:15 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
I've made two posts on this list in the past couple of days regarding
the rising ACL effort and my concerns about it.
I *desperately* want this kind of grass-roots enthusiast community
effort. I do NOT want to kill it. But I've learned from Fedora user
groups that allowing any random stranger to start up a group, using
our Trademarks, to promote whatever message comes into their head, is
*going* to bite us in the butt, sooner rather than later.
This is *NOT* about the Indore group and their recent event. Rather
it's about the future. The groups currently out there are full of
experienced Apache people. All well and good. The second wave will be
full of people wanting to promote their business, or their personal
brand, using our name, and spreading misinformation about Apache
under our official banner.
We *cannot* allow this to happen. To do so would be a dereliction of
our duty as a PMC. We must plan for the bad actors, even while
enabling the good actors.
I'm not entirely sure what I'm proposing, but I think that requiring,
at this stage, at least one Member to be involved in the creation and
mentoring of a new group, is a reasonable path.
A brief discussion of these issues has occurred on the
priv...@community.apache.org mailing list, where I was rightfully
called out for having the conversation in private rather than in
public. So, moving the conversation here, as is appropriate.
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