I wonder if we have discussed this into the ground sufficiently to come up with a proposal that we can vote on and report to the board on? I think there's been great discussion, and that we have consensus on a number of things. And there are several local groups waiting for answers, as well as some that appear to have taken silence as endorsement.

On 12/4/19 3:15 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
I've made two posts on this list in the past couple of days regarding the rising ACL effort and my concerns about it.

I *desperately* want this kind of grass-roots enthusiast community effort. I do NOT want to kill it. But I've learned from Fedora user groups that allowing any random stranger to start up a group, using our Trademarks, to promote whatever message comes into their head, is *going* to bite us in the butt, sooner rather than later.

This is *NOT* about the Indore group and their recent event. Rather it's about the future. The groups currently out there are full of experienced Apache people. All well and good. The second wave will be full of people wanting to promote their business, or their personal brand, using our name, and spreading misinformation about Apache under our official banner.

We *cannot* allow this to happen. To do so would be a dereliction of our duty as a PMC. We must plan for the bad actors, even while enabling the good actors.

I'm not entirely sure what I'm proposing, but I think that requiring, at this stage, at least one Member to be involved in the creation and mentoring of a new group, is a reasonable path.

A brief discussion of these issues has occurred on the priv...@community.apache.org mailing list, where I was rightfully called out for having the conversation in private rather than in public. So, moving the conversation here, as is appropriate.


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