while not perfect, i like the CLI/plugman . it's still in its infancy and can get better.
On Oct 17, 2013, at 12:13 AM, Viras <vi...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > my view on this discussion: > > I've used the CLI to release the latest version of GOFG Sports Computer for > Windows Phone. The support for the "merges" directory is a fantastic feature > which allows me to focus on the javascript code using e.g. the NetBeans IDE - > I can finally handle all my platform specific code from JavaScript in one > consistent directory structure - which is what Cordova should be about. > > In addition the CLI forces you to write clean code (not implying that the > other method forces to write messy code). If you need something native write > a clean plugin for it (which also makes the code reusable) - no need to mess > around in the native projects code - this also makes upgrading cordova much > easier. > > Once I've done the Windows Phone version I've simply added Android as a > platform, build it and I was done - no need for fiddling around with SDK / > IDE setup etc (besides actually installing it). So CLI is my favorite way to > develop now - and it is far more powerful than the old approach (in my > opinion) - since it saves you from fiddling around with project settings, > etc. when you do a multi-platform release. > > Oh yes - and GOFG SC uses two custom plugins, 5 official plugins and cordova > 3.0 - so it is a bit beyond the "Hello World" application.... > > And I do not agree that it isn't possible to work with the native IDEs with > their own projects - this is simply wrong since you can always go to the > "platforms" directory and open the platform-projects using their native IDE > from there (I've done this myself for e.g. plugin development). > > Still I agree that both versions should be supported - but don't make the > assumption that the CLI is for "n00bs" only! > > Best, > Wolfgang > > Am 2013-10-16 23:11, schrieb Joe Bowser: >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org> wrote: >>> Anis: Totally agrees, but its important to highlight that both directions >>> for that arguments hold. We've done our best to support bin/ scripts post >>> 3.0, yet blanket statements like "CLI should not be used with IDE", or "CLI >>> sucks unless you just doing something trivial" are being thrown around, >>> which are harmful in my opinion, and I don't think its fair that some of us >>> are promoting that message to users. >> I don't think we're communicating with our users at all, so I don't >> see how this could be communicated. When users communicate their >> frustrations, it's usually something like this >> (http://www.infil00p.org/config-xml-changes-for-ios-and-android/#comment-10731) >> and this >> (http://www.infil00p.org/introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-android/#comment-10694). >>> CLI works well for me, and while its not perfect, I strive to learn its >>> limitations and make it better, not condemn it. >> I avoid it because it's not developed for me, or developers like me >> who like to see a big pile of output when things fail. I avoided >> having any part in its development because I thought it was the wrong >> way to do things. I assumed that the majority of users actually >> wanted this and that I should do my best to work around this, but with >> the backlash that we're getting, such as the blog posts and some >> comments on the Google Groups, it seems that this is a feature very >> few people actually wanted. >>> As far as the CordovaWebView use case, I actually have never tried that. >>> Has anyone bothered to make sure it works well post-3.0, or does Joe have >>> a point that we missed addressing this? >> We have JUnit unit tests in the Android repository to make sure that >> this still works. However, I would like to see this test case >> revisited since it may be more appropriate to have CordovaActivity be >> inherited instead of CordovaInterface, or for both to be supported. >> This is so that we can make more hybrid applications and deal with the >> fact that we're so brutally non-complaint with Android UI guidelines >> instead of just ignoring it. I'll probably bring this up and present >> more source code when it's ready to explain why we need this feature >> in the next couple of weeks, and why it's important to respect the >> platform, even when the platform doesn't respect the web. > > -- > GOFG - Get On Fat Guy > http://www.gofg.at/ - powered by Cordova
