++1 "to install from a given directory instead of .cordova/libs."
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Viras <vi...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > This might be true - it took me quite some time to figure out how the CLI > actually works - despite also having to fix one or two bugs for the WPX > implementation of the CLI code (as well as the Windows 8 CLI code). But > still I would hate to see the CLI go, since I think once you are used to > it, it saves you quite a lot of time (I still have those old documents > which guide me through the setup of the IDE projects for the different > platforms - which is now mostly obsolete). > > So I guess supporting both methods is the way to go... :) > > Best, > Wolfgang > > Am 2013-10-17 16:13, schrieb Michal Mocny: > > Thanks so much for chiming in, I'm very happy to see that you've figured >> out how to leverage the benefits and avoid the drawbacks of the new >> workflow, and that it has led to increased productivity for you. >> >> I do think that perhaps it is still too difficult for every developer to >> learn what you already have. >> >> -Michal >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Viras <vi...@users.sourceforge.net> >> wrote: >> >> my view on this discussion: >>> >>> I've used the CLI to release the latest version of GOFG Sports Computer >>> for Windows Phone. The support for the "merges" directory is a fantastic >>> feature which allows me to focus on the javascript code using e.g. the >>> NetBeans IDE - I can finally handle all my platform specific code from >>> JavaScript in one consistent directory structure - which is what Cordova >>> should be about. >>> >>> In addition the CLI forces you to write clean code (not implying that the >>> other method forces to write messy code). If you need something native >>> write a clean plugin for it (which also makes the code reusable) - no >>> need >>> to mess around in the native projects code - this also makes upgrading >>> cordova much easier. >>> >>> Once I've done the Windows Phone version I've simply added Android as a >>> platform, build it and I was done - no need for fiddling around with SDK >>> / >>> IDE setup etc (besides actually installing it). So CLI is my favorite way >>> to develop now - and it is far more powerful than the old approach (in my >>> opinion) - since it saves you from fiddling around with project settings, >>> etc. when you do a multi-platform release. >>> >>> Oh yes - and GOFG SC uses two custom plugins, 5 official plugins and >>> cordova 3.0 - so it is a bit beyond the "Hello World" application.... >>> >>> And I do not agree that it isn't possible to work with the native IDEs >>> with their own projects - this is simply wrong since you can always go to >>> the "platforms" directory and open the platform-projects using their >>> native >>> IDE from there (I've done this myself for e.g. plugin development). >>> >>> Still I agree that both versions should be supported - but don't make the >>> assumption that the CLI is for "n00bs" only! >>> >>> Best, >>> Wolfgang >>> >>> Am 2013-10-16 23:11, schrieb Joe Bowser: >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Michal Mocny <mmo...@chromium.org> >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Anis: Totally agrees, but its important to highlight that both >>>>> directions >>>>> for that arguments hold. We've done our best to support bin/ scripts >>>>> post >>>>> 3.0, yet blanket statements like "CLI should not be used with IDE", or >>>>> "CLI >>>>> sucks unless you just doing something trivial" are being thrown around, >>>>> which are harmful in my opinion, and I don't think its fair that some >>>>> of >>>>> us >>>>> are promoting that message to users. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't think we're communicating with our users at all, so I don't >>>> see how this could be communicated. When users communicate their >>>> frustrations, it's usually something like this >>>> (http://www.infil00p.org/****config-xml-changes-for-ios-**<http://www.infil00p.org/**config-xml-changes-for-ios-**> >>>> and-android/#comment-10731<htt**p://www.infil00p.org/config-** >>>> xml-changes-for-ios-and-**android/#comment-10731<http://www.infil00p.org/config-xml-changes-for-ios-and-android/#comment-10731> >>>> > >>>> ) >>>> and this >>>> (http://www.infil00p.org/****introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-****<http://www.infil00p.org/**introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-**> >>>> android/#comment-10694<http://**www.infil00p.org/introducing-** >>>> cordova-3-0-0-for-android/#**comment-10694<http://www.infil00p.org/introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-android/#comment-10694> >>>> > >>>> ). >>>> >>>> CLI works well for me, and while its not perfect, I strive to learn its >>>> >>>>> limitations and make it better, not condemn it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I avoid it because it's not developed for me, or developers like me >>>> who like to see a big pile of output when things fail. I avoided >>>> having any part in its development because I thought it was the wrong >>>> way to do things. I assumed that the majority of users actually >>>> wanted this and that I should do my best to work around this, but with >>>> the backlash that we're getting, such as the blog posts and some >>>> comments on the Google Groups, it seems that this is a feature very >>>> few people actually wanted. >>>> >>>> As far as the CordovaWebView use case, I actually have never tried >>>> that. >>>> >>>>> Has anyone bothered to make sure it works well post-3.0, or does Joe >>>>> have >>>>> a point that we missed addressing this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> We have JUnit unit tests in the Android repository to make sure that >>>> this still works. However, I would like to see this test case >>>> revisited since it may be more appropriate to have CordovaActivity be >>>> inherited instead of CordovaInterface, or for both to be supported. >>>> This is so that we can make more hybrid applications and deal with the >>>> fact that we're so brutally non-complaint with Android UI guidelines >>>> instead of just ignoring it. I'll probably bring this up and present >>>> more source code when it's ready to explain why we need this feature >>>> in the next couple of weeks, and why it's important to respect the >>>> platform, even when the platform doesn't respect the web. >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> GOFG - Get On Fat Guy >>> http://www.gofg.at/ - powered by Cordova >>> >>> > -- > GOFG - Get On Fat Guy > http://www.gofg.at/ - powered by Cordova > -- Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>
