+1 to Michael Brook's proposal. Definitely I'm all for SO vs a users@ mailing list
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Michael Brooks <[email protected]>wrote: > I agree, PhoneGap references do not belong in Apache Cordova. > > I think it's safe to remove website links to: > - the PhoneGap Google Groups > - the PhoneGap IRC channel > > We should update the Cordova website with links to: > - StackOverflow Cordova tag > - #cordova IRC channel > > Do not: > - do not keep the PhoneGap Google Groups link for old solutions - Google > has this indexed for anyone searching. > - do not create a users@ mailing list - make it earn it's place; > StackOverflow has already done this. > > Michael > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Andrew Grieve <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > stay tuned on the ML thread with subject "Hangout Today @ 4:00 EST". I > > will post the link there once we're set up. > > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Terence M. Bandoian <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > One nice thing about a mailing list is that it is delivered. The > digest > > > form provides an uncluttered, passive means to stay aware of issues and > > > contribute when appropriate. > > > > > > I'm still new to this list but would like to listen in to the hangout > if > > > that's possible. How would I find it on Google Hangout? > > > > > > -Terence Bandoian > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/15/2014 9:31 AM, Lisa Seacat DeLuca wrote: > > >> > > >> Michal +1. > > >> > > >> 1. Create a user@ group that we use to encourage users to post > > questions > > >> on SO. > > >> 2. Update website to remove reference to PhoneGap Google Group and > > include > > >> reference to the user@ mailing list > > >> 3. remove the IRC #phonegap reference as well > > >> > > >> Is everyone in agreement on this? Do we need to add an item to our > > >> hangout agenda today to discuss further? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Lisa Seacat DeLuca > > >> Mobile Engineer | t: +415.787.4589 | [email protected]_ > > >> <mailto:[email protected]>| | [email protected]_ > > >> <mailto:[email protected]>| _lisaseacat.com_ < > > http://www.lisaseacat.com/>| > > >> follow @LisaSeacat on twitter <www.twitter.com/LisaSeacat>| follow > Lisa > > >> Seacat DeLuca on linkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/lisaseacat> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Michal Mocny <[email protected]> > > >> To: dev <[email protected]> > > >> Date: 04/15/2014 09:50 AM > > >> Subject: Re: support on phonegap/cordova? > > >> Sent by: [email protected] > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> So first: we don't *have* have to have users@ list. This isn't about > > >> "apache way" at all, this is in response to several user inquiries > > asking > > >> for a user list to point them to. > > >> > > >> Seems no one is looking forward to more email, but I'd be satisfied to > > >> have > > >> a users@ list from which we direct people over to SO, since some > people > > >> don't yet know about SO and/or expect a mailing list when they go > > looking. > > >> > > >> The most important action item I think is to update the website, since > > >> right now we only list the dev, commits, and issues mailing lists > > listed, > > >> and a small note about the phonegap forum for user questions (and that > > was > > >> hard to find without grep-ing). > > >> > > >> -Michal > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Mike Billau <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > I think that between a users@ mailing list, a google group, an IRC > > room, > > >> > and StackOverflow, the best medium we can use to support our users > is > > >> > StackOverflow. Joe makes great points about the benefits that > > >> > StackOverflow > > >> > gives us that I don't see the other mediums providing. Sure the GG > may > > >> > be > > >> > searchable but not nearly as well as SO. Also, there are already a > lot > > >> > of > > >> > Cordova users helping each other out on SO (only 4 of the top 20 > > >> > "answerers" are on this list [1]) SO also will automatically switch > > >> > "phonegap" to "cordova" tag but still allow things like > > "phonegap-build" > > >> > or > > >> > "phonegap-enterprise" or whatever - nothing against phonegap, this > > just > > >> > seems to be more inline with the "Apache Way" and would help Adobe > > >> > support > > >> > find relevant issues to them while letting the the overall community > > >> > work > > >> > on the more general support questions. > > >> > > > >> > If we have to have a users@, so be it, but we should make it a > point > > to > > >> > answer all questions there with a link to the relevant Stack > Overflow > > >> > answer. I think we should also be doing this on the google group > too, > > >> > but > > >> > I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been. > > >> > > > >> > Finally I know there is a lot of push back about "getting rid of / > > >> > encouraging less use of" the google group because a lot of people > use > > it > > >> > and apparently get a lot of their issues fixed, however it seems > like > > >> > either the majority of the questions never get answered, or they get > > >> > answered by a few users. We should maybe reach out to these power > > users > > >> > and > > >> > explain to them the motivation behind trying to move all support off > > the > > >> > GG > > >> > and into SO and encourage them to help with this transition. > > >> > > > >> > [1] http://stackoverflow.com/tags/cordova/topusers > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Joe Bowser <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > The reasons I prefer stack overflow to users lists are as follows: > > >> > > > > >> > > 1. Most of our users aren't skilled enough to get on or off of a > > users > > >> > list > > >> > > 2. Stack Overflow's structure keeps things more professional than > > the > > >> > > mailing list. Personal attacks get downvoted on SO > > >> > > 3. Stack Overflow has better searchibility than a users list. > > >> > > > > >> > > If we have to have one because of the much loathed "Apache Way", > so > > be > > >> > > it, but I don't see it being nearly as helpful as SO. > > >> > > > > >> > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Grieve < > > [email protected]> > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > > Most Apache projects have a users@ list for this purpose. > > Although > > >> > > > SO > > >> > > often > > >> > > > yields better answers, I don't think it would hurt to have a > > >> > users@list. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Joe Bowser <[email protected]> > > >> > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> This is a dev list, not a support list. I would recommend > > >> > StackOverflow. > > >> > > >> On Apr 9, 2014 3:16 PM, "Andrew Grieve" <[email protected] > > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > StackOverflow works really well as well. If it's a possible > but > > >> > > >> > in > > >> > the > > >> > > >> > framework or an Apache plugin though, this is the list :) > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:21 AM, Ray Camden < > [email protected] > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > I'd use the Google Group: > > >> > > >> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/phonegap > > >> > > >> > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/phonegap> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________________ > > >> > > >> > > From: smo <[email protected]> > > >> > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:35 AM > > >> > > >> > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> > > Subject: support on phonegap/cordova? > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > hi > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > where must i post to get support on phonegap/cordova ios ? > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > thanks > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >
