Niall Pemberton wrote on 2019-10-25 1:03AM GMT+2: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 17:25, Georg Link <[email protected]> wrote: ...snip... >> Limiting the reach of the survey only to committers for "convenience" or >> ideas of "not-wanting-to-spam" feels wrong to me because the exclusion of >> other contributors and community members goes against the idea of >> inclusion. >> When I think about inclusion, the voices of non-committers are just as >> valuable and I would like to see those voices represented in the survey >> results. >> I would like to see this survey being distributed as broadly as possible. > > > Hi Georg, > > It’s not about limiting, more about the purpose of the committers@ list. > That list isn’t something people choose to be part of specifically and, as > previously said, isn’t a forum for discussion - so not abusing/inundating > it is important. I don’t believe we have an alias/list that reaches all > contributors - so that is a moot point really.
Niall is right about how we will (or won't) use the committers@ list. There are two separate sides about the "how to attract survey respondents": * Emails. We can (and should) send one survey invite to committers@, because that's what we did in 2016 (so we can compare returns) and because that's a reliable way to reach all committers on any project. We do not know (without big data analysis) who all "contributors" to all Apache projects are. To even collect the list would require doing a full history analysis of PRs/patches, including metadata (i.e. a committer will often merge a patch, giving credit to someone else). While that's possible, we also value privacy, so as a general policy we would not send an email out to *all* historical contributors (unless there were already some opt-in choice, which we don't do). * Non-Emails. We can also post a link to the survey on our website (or possibly the homepage of apache.org). Or tweet it from our official accounts. There are plenty of other ways to ask for responses - we just need to have a very clear and crisp message there to attract the right people. ---- I guess my point is, yes, we'd like to welcome non-committers to take the survey; however there isn't any "list" we can (or will) use to contact them all directly. So thinking of non-email ways to allow them to find the survey organically is the place to focus energy. -- - Shane Director & Member The Apache Software Foundation
