Thanks Wes, that's great! On Dec 14, 2015 9:44 AM, "Wes McKinney" <w...@cloudera.com> wrote:
> hi folks, > > In the interim I created a new public GitHub organization to host code > for this effort so we can organize ourselves in advance of more > progress in the ASF: > > https://github.com/arrow-data > > I have a partial C++ implementation of the Arrow spec that I can move > there, along with a to-be-Markdown-ified version of a specification > subject to more iteration. The more pressing short term matter will be > making some progress on the metadata / data headers / IPC protocol > (e.g. using Flatbuffers or the like). > > Thoughts on git repo structure? > > 1) Avro-style — "one repo to rule them all" > 2) Parquet-style — arrow-format, arrow-cpp, arrow-java, etc. > > (I'm personally more in the latter camp, though integration tests may > be more tedious that way) > > Thanks > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> wrote: > > I've opened a name search for our top vote getter. > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-92 > > > > > > I also just realized that my previously email dropped other recipients. > > Here it is below. > > > > ---- > > I think we can call the voting closed. Top vote getters: > > > > Apache Arrow (17) > > Apache Herringbone (9) > > Apache Joist (8) > > Apache Colbuf (8) > > > > I'll up a PODLINGNAMESEARCH-* shortly for Arrow. > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jacques Nadeau > > CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Just added my vote. > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Wes McKinney <w...@cloudera.com> wrote: > >> > Shall we call the voting closed? Any last stragglers? > >> > > >> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Apache can handle this if we set the groundwork in place. > >> >> > >> >> Also, Twitter's lawyers work for Twitter, not for Apache. As such, > >> >> their > >> >> opinions can't be taken by Apache as legal advice. There are issues > of > >> >> privilege, conflict of interest and so on. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Alex Levenson > >> >> <alexleven...@twitter.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> I can ask about whether Twitter's lawyers can help out -- is that > >> >>> something we need? Or is that something apache helps out with in the > >> >>> next > >> >>> step? > >> >>> > >> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> +1 to have a vote tomorrow. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Assuming that Vector is out of play, I just did a quick search for > >> >>>> the > >> >>>> top 4 remaining, (“arrow”, “honeycomb”, “herringbone”, “joist"), at > >> >>>> sourceforge, open hub, trademarkia, and on google. There are no > >> >>>> trademarks > >> >>>> for these in similar subject areas. There is a moderately active > >> >>>> project > >> >>>> called “joist” [1]. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I will point out that “Apache Arrow” has native-american > connotations > >> >>>> that we may or may not want to live with (just ask the Washington > >> >>>> Redskins > >> >>>> how they feel about their name). > >> >>>> > >> >>>> If someone would like to vet other names, use the links on > >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90, and > fill > >> >>>> out > >> >>>> column C in the spreadsheet. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Julian > >> >>>> > >> >>>> [1] https://github.com/stephenh/joist > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> +1 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau > >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Wes McKinney <w...@cloudera.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Should we have a last call for votes, closing EOD tomorrow > (Tuesday)? > >> >>>> I > >> >>>> missed this for a few days last week with holiday travel. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Julian Hyde < > jul...@hydromatic.net> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Consulting a lawyer is part of the Apache branding process but the > >> >>>> first > >> >>>> stage is to gather a list of potential conflicts - > >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90 is an > >> >>>> example. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> The other part, frankly, is to pick your battles. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> A year or so ago Actian re-branded Vectorwise as Vector. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > http://www.zdnet.com/article/actian-consolidates-its-analytics-portfolio/. > >> >>>> Given that it is an analytic database in the Hadoop space I think > >> >>>> that is > >> >>>> as close to a “direct hit” as it gets. I don’t think we need a > lawyer > >> >>>> to > >> >>>> tell us that. Certainly it makes sense to look for conflicts for > the > >> >>>> other > >> >>>> alternatives before consulting lawyers. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Julian > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com > > > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jacques Nadeau < > jacq...@dremio.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Ok guys, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I don't think anyone is doing a thorough analysis of viaability. I > >> >>>> did a > >> >>>> quick glance and the top one (Vector) seems like it would have an > >> >>>> issue > >> >>>> with conflict of an Actian product. The may be fine. Let's do a > >> >>>> second > >> >>>> phase vote. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm assuming you mean Vectorwise? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Before we do anything else, could we have a lawyer look into this? > >> >>>> Last > >> >>>> time around that I remember (Parquet), Twitter's lawyers did a good > >> >>>> job > >> >>>> of > >> >>>> weeding out the potential trademark violations. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Alex, could Twitter get involved this time around as well? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Pick your top 3 (1,2,3 with 3 being top preference) > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Let's get this done by Friday and then we can do a podling name > >> >>>> search > >> >>>> starting with the top one. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Link again: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532&vpid=A1 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> thanks > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau > >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Jacques Nadeau < > jacq...@dremio.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Ok, it looks like we have a candidate list (we actually got 11 > since > >> >>>> there was a three-way tie for ninth place): > >> >>>> > >> >>>> VectorArrowhoneycombHerringbonejoistV2Pietcolbufbatonimpulsevictor > >> >>>> Next we need to do trademark searches on each of these to see > whether > >> >>>> we're likely to have success. I've moved candidates to a second > tab: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Anybody want to give a hand in analyzing potential conflicts? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau > >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jacques Nadeau < > jacq...@dremio.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Everybody should pick their ten favorites using the numbers 1 to > 10. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> 10 is most preferred > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau > >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Ted Dunning < > ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Single vote for most preferred? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Single transferable vote? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Jacques Nadeau < > jacq...@dremio.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Given that a bunch of people added names to the sheet, I'll take > >> >>>> that as tacit agreement to the proposed process. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Let's move to the first vote phase. I've added a column for > >> >>>> everybody's votes. Let's try to wrap up the vote by 10am on > >> >>>> Wednesday. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> thanks! > >> >>>> Jacques > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau > >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau < > jacq...@apache.org > >> >>>> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Hey Guys, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> It sounds like we need to do a little more work on the Vector > >> >>>> proposal > >> >>>> before the board would like to consider it. The main point of > >> >>>> contention > >> >>>> right now is the name of the project. We need to decide on a name > >> >>>> and get > >> >>>> it signed off through PODLINGNAMESEARCH. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Naming is extremely subjective so I'd like to propose a process for > >> >>>> selection that minimizes pain. This is an initial proposal and > >> >>>> > >> >>>> We do the naming in the following steps > >> >>>> - 1: Collect a set of names to be considered > >> >>>> - 2: Run a vote for 2 days where each member ranks their top 10 > >> >>>> options > >> >>>> 1..10 > >> >>>> - 3: Take the top ten vote getters and do a basic analysis of > >> >>>> whether we > >> >>>> think that any have legal issues. Keep dropping names that have > >> >>>> this until > >> >>>> we get with 10 reasonably solid candidate names > >> >>>> - 5: Take the top ten names and give people 48 hours to rank their > >> >>>> top 3 > >> >>>> names > >> >>>> - 6: Start a PODLINGNAMESEARCH on the top rank one, if that doesn't > >> >>>> work, > >> >>>> try the second and third options. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I suggest we take name suggestions for step 1 from everyone but > then > >> >>>> constrain the voting to the newly proposed project [1]. We could > >> >>>> just do > >> >>>> this in a private email thread but I think doing it on Drill dev is > >> >>>> better > >> >>>> in the interest of transparency. This isn't the perfect place for > >> >>>> that but > >> >>>> I'm not sure a better place exists. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm up for changing any or all of this depending on what others > >> >>>> think. Just > >> >>>> wanted to get the ball rolling on a proposed process. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> If this works, I've posted a doc at [2] that we can use for step 1. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Thanks, > >> >>>> Jacques > >> >>>> > >> >>>> [1] List of proposed new project members/voters: Todd Lipcon, Ted > >> >>>> Dunning, > >> >>>> Michael Stack, P. Taylor Goetz, Julian Hyde, Julien Le Dem, Jacques > >> >>>> Nadeau, > >> >>>> James Taylor, Jake Luciani, Parth Chandra, Alex Levenson, Marcel > >> >>>> Kornacker, > >> >>>> Steven Phillips, Hanifi Gunes, Wes McKinney, Jason Altekruse, David > >> >>>> Alves, > >> >>>> Zain Asgar, Ippokratis Pandis, Abdel Hakim Deneche, Reynold Xin. > >> >>>> [2] > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=0 > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Alex Levenson > >> >>> @THISWILLWORK > >> >> > >> >> > > > > >
