Apache can handle this if we set the groundwork in place. Also, Twitter's lawyers work for Twitter, not for Apache. As such, their opinions can't be taken by Apache as legal advice. There are issues of privilege, conflict of interest and so on.
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Alex Levenson <alexleven...@twitter.com> wrote: > I can ask about whether Twitter's lawyers can help out -- is that > something we need? Or is that something apache helps out with in the next > step? > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote: > >> +1 to have a vote tomorrow. >> >> Assuming that Vector is out of play, I just did a quick search for the >> top 4 remaining, (“arrow”, “honeycomb”, “herringbone”, “joist"), at >> sourceforge, open hub, trademarkia, and on google. There are no trademarks >> for these in similar subject areas. There is a moderately active project >> called “joist” [1]. >> >> I will point out that “Apache Arrow” has native-american connotations >> that we may or may not want to live with (just ask the Washington Redskins >> how they feel about their name). >> >> If someone would like to vet other names, use the links on >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90, and fill out >> column C in the spreadsheet. >> >> Julian >> >> [1] https://github.com/stephenh/joist >> >> >> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> wrote: >> >> +1 >> >> -- >> Jacques Nadeau >> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Wes McKinney <w...@cloudera.com> wrote: >> >> Should we have a last call for votes, closing EOD tomorrow (Tuesday)? I >> missed this for a few days last week with holiday travel. >> >> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Julian Hyde <jul...@hydromatic.net> >> wrote: >> >> Consulting a lawyer is part of the Apache branding process but the first >> stage is to gather a list of potential conflicts - >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90 is an example. >> >> The other part, frankly, is to pick your battles. >> >> A year or so ago Actian re-branded Vectorwise as Vector. >> http://www.zdnet.com/article/actian-consolidates-its-analytics-portfolio/ >> . >> Given that it is an analytic database in the Hadoop space I think that is >> as close to a “direct hit” as it gets. I don’t think we need a lawyer to >> tell us that. Certainly it makes sense to look for conflicts for the other >> alternatives before consulting lawyers. >> >> Julian >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> wrote: >> >> Ok guys, >> >> I don't think anyone is doing a thorough analysis of viaability. I did a >> quick glance and the top one (Vector) seems like it would have an issue >> with conflict of an Actian product. The may be fine. Let's do a second >> phase vote. >> >> >> I'm assuming you mean Vectorwise? >> >> Before we do anything else, could we have a lawyer look into this? Last >> time around that I remember (Parquet), Twitter's lawyers did a good job of >> weeding out the potential trademark violations. >> >> Alex, could Twitter get involved this time around as well? >> >> >> >> Pick your top 3 (1,2,3 with 3 being top preference) >> >> Let's get this done by Friday and then we can do a podling name search >> starting with the top one. >> >> Link again: >> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532&vpid=A1 >> >> thanks >> >> >> -- >> Jacques Nadeau >> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> wrote: >> >> Ok, it looks like we have a candidate list (we actually got 11 since >> there was a three-way tie for ninth place): >> >> VectorArrowhoneycombHerringbonejoistV2Pietcolbufbatonimpulsevictor >> Next we need to do trademark searches on each of these to see whether >> we're likely to have success. I've moved candidates to a second tab: >> >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532 >> >> Anybody want to give a hand in analyzing potential conflicts? >> >> >> >> -- >> Jacques Nadeau >> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> wrote: >> >> Everybody should pick their ten favorites using the numbers 1 to 10. >> >> 10 is most preferred >> >> >> >> -- >> Jacques Nadeau >> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Single vote for most preferred? >> >> Single transferable vote? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> wrote: >> >> Given that a bunch of people added names to the sheet, I'll take >> that as tacit agreement to the proposed process. >> >> Let's move to the first vote phase. I've added a column for >> everybody's votes. Let's try to wrap up the vote by 10am on Wednesday. >> >> thanks! >> Jacques >> >> >> >> -- >> Jacques Nadeau >> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@apache.org >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hey Guys, >> >> It sounds like we need to do a little more work on the Vector >> proposal >> before the board would like to consider it. The main point of >> contention >> right now is the name of the project. We need to decide on a name >> and get >> it signed off through PODLINGNAMESEARCH. >> >> Naming is extremely subjective so I'd like to propose a process for >> selection that minimizes pain. This is an initial proposal and >> >> We do the naming in the following steps >> - 1: Collect a set of names to be considered >> - 2: Run a vote for 2 days where each member ranks their top 10 >> options >> 1..10 >> - 3: Take the top ten vote getters and do a basic analysis of >> whether we >> think that any have legal issues. Keep dropping names that have >> this until >> we get with 10 reasonably solid candidate names >> - 5: Take the top ten names and give people 48 hours to rank their >> top 3 >> names >> - 6: Start a PODLINGNAMESEARCH on the top rank one, if that doesn't >> work, >> try the second and third options. >> >> I suggest we take name suggestions for step 1 from everyone but then >> constrain the voting to the newly proposed project [1]. We could >> just do >> this in a private email thread but I think doing it on Drill dev is >> better >> in the interest of transparency. This isn't the perfect place for >> that but >> I'm not sure a better place exists. >> >> I'm up for changing any or all of this depending on what others >> think. Just >> wanted to get the ball rolling on a proposed process. >> >> If this works, I've posted a doc at [2] that we can use for step 1. >> >> Thanks, >> Jacques >> >> [1] List of proposed new project members/voters: Todd Lipcon, Ted >> Dunning, >> Michael Stack, P. Taylor Goetz, Julian Hyde, Julien Le Dem, Jacques >> Nadeau, >> James Taylor, Jake Luciani, Parth Chandra, Alex Levenson, Marcel >> Kornacker, >> Steven Phillips, Hanifi Gunes, Wes McKinney, Jason Altekruse, David >> Alves, >> Zain Asgar, Ippokratis Pandis, Abdel Hakim Deneche, Reynold Xin. >> [2] >> >> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=0 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Alex Levenson > @THISWILLWORK >
