hi folks, In the interim I created a new public GitHub organization to host code for this effort so we can organize ourselves in advance of more progress in the ASF:
https://github.com/arrow-data I have a partial C++ implementation of the Arrow spec that I can move there, along with a to-be-Markdown-ified version of a specification subject to more iteration. The more pressing short term matter will be making some progress on the metadata / data headers / IPC protocol (e.g. using Flatbuffers or the like). Thoughts on git repo structure? 1) Avro-style — "one repo to rule them all" 2) Parquet-style — arrow-format, arrow-cpp, arrow-java, etc. (I'm personally more in the latter camp, though integration tests may be more tedious that way) Thanks On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> wrote: > I've opened a name search for our top vote getter. > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-92 > > > I also just realized that my previously email dropped other recipients. > Here it is below. > > ---- > I think we can call the voting closed. Top vote getters: > > Apache Arrow (17) > Apache Herringbone (9) > Apache Joist (8) > Apache Colbuf (8) > > I'll up a PODLINGNAMESEARCH-* shortly for Arrow. > > --- > > > > > > > -- > Jacques Nadeau > CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com> > wrote: >> >> Just added my vote. >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Wes McKinney <w...@cloudera.com> wrote: >> > Shall we call the voting closed? Any last stragglers? >> > >> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Apache can handle this if we set the groundwork in place. >> >> >> >> Also, Twitter's lawyers work for Twitter, not for Apache. As such, >> >> their >> >> opinions can't be taken by Apache as legal advice. There are issues of >> >> privilege, conflict of interest and so on. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Alex Levenson >> >> <alexleven...@twitter.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I can ask about whether Twitter's lawyers can help out -- is that >> >>> something we need? Or is that something apache helps out with in the >> >>> next >> >>> step? >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> +1 to have a vote tomorrow. >> >>>> >> >>>> Assuming that Vector is out of play, I just did a quick search for >> >>>> the >> >>>> top 4 remaining, (“arrow”, “honeycomb”, “herringbone”, “joist"), at >> >>>> sourceforge, open hub, trademarkia, and on google. There are no >> >>>> trademarks >> >>>> for these in similar subject areas. There is a moderately active >> >>>> project >> >>>> called “joist” [1]. >> >>>> >> >>>> I will point out that “Apache Arrow” has native-american connotations >> >>>> that we may or may not want to live with (just ask the Washington >> >>>> Redskins >> >>>> how they feel about their name). >> >>>> >> >>>> If someone would like to vet other names, use the links on >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90, and fill >> >>>> out >> >>>> column C in the spreadsheet. >> >>>> >> >>>> Julian >> >>>> >> >>>> [1] https://github.com/stephenh/joist >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Nov 30, 2015, at 7:01 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> +1 >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Wes McKinney <w...@cloudera.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Should we have a last call for votes, closing EOD tomorrow (Tuesday)? >> >>>> I >> >>>> missed this for a few days last week with holiday travel. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Julian Hyde <jul...@hydromatic.net> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Consulting a lawyer is part of the Apache branding process but the >> >>>> first >> >>>> stage is to gather a list of potential conflicts - >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90 is an >> >>>> example. >> >>>> >> >>>> The other part, frankly, is to pick your battles. >> >>>> >> >>>> A year or so ago Actian re-branded Vectorwise as Vector. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/actian-consolidates-its-analytics-portfolio/. >> >>>> Given that it is an analytic database in the Hadoop space I think >> >>>> that is >> >>>> as close to a “direct hit” as it gets. I don’t think we need a lawyer >> >>>> to >> >>>> tell us that. Certainly it makes sense to look for conflicts for the >> >>>> other >> >>>> alternatives before consulting lawyers. >> >>>> >> >>>> Julian >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Ok guys, >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't think anyone is doing a thorough analysis of viaability. I >> >>>> did a >> >>>> quick glance and the top one (Vector) seems like it would have an >> >>>> issue >> >>>> with conflict of an Actian product. The may be fine. Let's do a >> >>>> second >> >>>> phase vote. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm assuming you mean Vectorwise? >> >>>> >> >>>> Before we do anything else, could we have a lawyer look into this? >> >>>> Last >> >>>> time around that I remember (Parquet), Twitter's lawyers did a good >> >>>> job >> >>>> of >> >>>> weeding out the potential trademark violations. >> >>>> >> >>>> Alex, could Twitter get involved this time around as well? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Pick your top 3 (1,2,3 with 3 being top preference) >> >>>> >> >>>> Let's get this done by Friday and then we can do a podling name >> >>>> search >> >>>> starting with the top one. >> >>>> >> >>>> Link again: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532&vpid=A1 >> >>>> >> >>>> thanks >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Ok, it looks like we have a candidate list (we actually got 11 since >> >>>> there was a three-way tie for ninth place): >> >>>> >> >>>> VectorArrowhoneycombHerringbonejoistV2Pietcolbufbatonimpulsevictor >> >>>> Next we need to do trademark searches on each of these to see whether >> >>>> we're likely to have success. I've moved candidates to a second tab: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532 >> >>>> >> >>>> Anybody want to give a hand in analyzing potential conflicts? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Everybody should pick their ten favorites using the numbers 1 to 10. >> >>>> >> >>>> 10 is most preferred >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Single vote for most preferred? >> >>>> >> >>>> Single transferable vote? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Given that a bunch of people added names to the sheet, I'll take >> >>>> that as tacit agreement to the proposed process. >> >>>> >> >>>> Let's move to the first vote phase. I've added a column for >> >>>> everybody's votes. Let's try to wrap up the vote by 10am on >> >>>> Wednesday. >> >>>> >> >>>> thanks! >> >>>> Jacques >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Jacques Nadeau >> >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@apache.org >> >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hey Guys, >> >>>> >> >>>> It sounds like we need to do a little more work on the Vector >> >>>> proposal >> >>>> before the board would like to consider it. The main point of >> >>>> contention >> >>>> right now is the name of the project. We need to decide on a name >> >>>> and get >> >>>> it signed off through PODLINGNAMESEARCH. >> >>>> >> >>>> Naming is extremely subjective so I'd like to propose a process for >> >>>> selection that minimizes pain. This is an initial proposal and >> >>>> >> >>>> We do the naming in the following steps >> >>>> - 1: Collect a set of names to be considered >> >>>> - 2: Run a vote for 2 days where each member ranks their top 10 >> >>>> options >> >>>> 1..10 >> >>>> - 3: Take the top ten vote getters and do a basic analysis of >> >>>> whether we >> >>>> think that any have legal issues. Keep dropping names that have >> >>>> this until >> >>>> we get with 10 reasonably solid candidate names >> >>>> - 5: Take the top ten names and give people 48 hours to rank their >> >>>> top 3 >> >>>> names >> >>>> - 6: Start a PODLINGNAMESEARCH on the top rank one, if that doesn't >> >>>> work, >> >>>> try the second and third options. >> >>>> >> >>>> I suggest we take name suggestions for step 1 from everyone but then >> >>>> constrain the voting to the newly proposed project [1]. We could >> >>>> just do >> >>>> this in a private email thread but I think doing it on Drill dev is >> >>>> better >> >>>> in the interest of transparency. This isn't the perfect place for >> >>>> that but >> >>>> I'm not sure a better place exists. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm up for changing any or all of this depending on what others >> >>>> think. Just >> >>>> wanted to get the ball rolling on a proposed process. >> >>>> >> >>>> If this works, I've posted a doc at [2] that we can use for step 1. >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >>>> Jacques >> >>>> >> >>>> [1] List of proposed new project members/voters: Todd Lipcon, Ted >> >>>> Dunning, >> >>>> Michael Stack, P. Taylor Goetz, Julian Hyde, Julien Le Dem, Jacques >> >>>> Nadeau, >> >>>> James Taylor, Jake Luciani, Parth Chandra, Alex Levenson, Marcel >> >>>> Kornacker, >> >>>> Steven Phillips, Hanifi Gunes, Wes McKinney, Jason Altekruse, David >> >>>> Alves, >> >>>> Zain Asgar, Ippokratis Pandis, Abdel Hakim Deneche, Reynold Xin. >> >>>> [2] >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=0 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Alex Levenson >> >>> @THISWILLWORK >> >> >> >> > >
