+1

Eagle have a great process during this year. And it's also important to the
Hadoop ecosphere.
- Committer well follow the jira & PR process.
- Release the stable version.
- Keep updating the project.

I think it's time for graduation.

2016-10-18 11:34 GMT+08:00 Hao Chen <h...@apache.org>:

> +1
>
> Very glad to hear that Eagle is infinitely closing to graduate at a
> top-level project since entering incubator at Oct 26th, 2016.
>
> In the past one year, the eagle community has always keep learning, growing
> and practicing apache way every where and every day:
>
>    - Meritocracy
>    - Peer to Peer
>    - Consensus decision making
>    - Open, online communication
>    - Responsible oversight
>
> Until now (10/26/2015 ~ 10/18/2016), eagle community has grown very fast in
> features, code quality, community, consensus building etc.
>
>    - Reached a very high maturity level: https://cwiki.apache.org/
>    confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podling+Maturity+Assessment
>    <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+
> Podling+Maturity+Assessment>
>    - Added *4+* new committers and *20+* contributors from different
>    organizations around the world side
>    - Successfully released *2* major versions and some minor versions,
>    resolved *632+* jira tickets and *577+* pull requests.
>    - *5+* public originations (e.g. eBay, Paypal, Yihaodian, Dataguise,
>    etc.) are using or adopting eagle to monitor their hadoop clusters.
>    - Shared eagle and apache way in *10+* tech conferences in* 8+
> *different
>    cities around the world (e.g. Hadoop Summit, Hadoop Stratus, QCon, etc.)
>
> - Hao
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Michael Wu <m...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >  - 2 releases have been made and committers have summed lots of
> experience
> > of the releasing process.
> >  - More and more contributions are received from the community.
> >  - JIRA tickets are all with detailed descriptions.
> >  - PRs follow a good way of collaboration.
> >  - The project is being established in the industry.
> >  - Responses are made timely to requesters.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Liangfei.Su <suliang...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Eagle Maturity Assessment clear listed and completed.
> > > JIRA with clear comments.
> > > PRs follow the convention that point to given JIRA by apache naming.
> This
> > > keeps clear commit history and friendly comments.
> > > Very happy to see more contributors other than originators to join in.
> > > Documentation, these are continuing improved to help community easier
> to
> > > involve in.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ralph
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:16 PM, Jinhu Wu <jinhu.wu....@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vote +1.
> > > >
> > > > There are more and more contributors and they are making great
> > > > contributions to Apache Eagle.
> > > > Eagle codes are more stable and documents are more helpful to use
> eagle
> > > > system.
> > > >
> > > > Besides, Eagle team are working with other developers in other
> > > corporations
> > > > to discuss some features and optimizations to make eagle more
> powerful.
> > > >
> > > > I am also happy to become an Eagle committer and hope Eagle will be
> > > better.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Jinhu
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 5:29 AM, Da Zhou <daveloperz...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Vote +1.
> > > > >  "Eagle Maturity Assessment" looks good to me. Great process has
> been
> > > > made
> > > > > since last discussion:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Lots of new features have been introduced, now Apache Eagle has
> > > become
> > > > > more powerful and user-friendly.(eg,  Application Management
> through
> > > > Eagle
> > > > > UI.)
> > > > > - Also many fixes have been checked in, which makes Eagle more
> stable
> > > and
> > > > > robust.
> > > > > - Community is getting more active, we can tell this based on daily
> > > > > discussion happened in the emails.
> > > > > - Apache Eagle is getting more attention by different corporations
> > and
> > > > > organizations,  their cooperation has been reported online (eg,
> Yahoo
> > > > News)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Da
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Edward Zhang <
> > yonzhang2...@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Eagle Community,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's been more than 2 months and a lot have been improved since
> we
> > > last
> > > > > > time discussed Eagle graduation. Here I want to suggest we
> restart
> > > > > > discussion of Eagle graduation. Please share your comments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some documents and data are as follows:
> > > > > > 1. Maturity assessment,
> > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+
> > > > > > Podling+Maturity+Assessment
> > > > > > 2. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Documentation
> > > > > > 3. Four new committers were added since incubation
> > > > > > 4. Two releases are made
> > > > > > 5. >600 Jira tickets,
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EAGLE-614?jql=
> > > > > project%20%3D%20EAGLE
> > > > > > 6. ~500 pull requests.
> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-eagle/pulls?utf8=%
> > > > E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > Edward
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Ge, Jing <ji...@ebay.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Jijun,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your nice feedback and excellent contribution. We
> > > > appreciate
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > > Jing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/30/16, 8:43 PM, "Tang Jijun(上海_技术部_数据平台_唐觊隽)" <
> > > > tangji...@yhd.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Great work! Great advances have been made for Apache Eagle.
> > > > > > >     I think Apache Eagle will became a great project for
> > community
> > > > with
> > > > > > > these improvement.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Best Wishes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     唐觊隽
> > > > > > >     Jr. Engineer , Architecture - Fundation, Tech Dept
> > > > > > >     Floor 4, 295 ZUCHONGZHI RD, Zhangjiang, Shanghai (201203)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     -----邮件原件-----
> > > > > > >     发件人: Ge, Jing [mailto:ji...@ebay.com]
> > > > > > >     发送时间: 2016年9月30日 19:50
> > > > > > >     收件人: dev@eagle.incubator.apache.org; Tang
> > > Jijun(上海_技术部_数据平台_唐觊隽)
> > > > > > >     主题: Re: [DISCUSS] Is Eagle ready to graduate?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Hi Jijun,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Thanks for pointing out where we can improve ourselves. We
> > have
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > working on that since we got your email. Now:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     1. We have CI server which will make sure the code will be
> > > stable
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > build will be successful.
> > > > > > >     2. We have more than 430 Unit tests.
> > > > > > >     3. We have published fundamental documentation to let user
> > and
> > > > > > > developer understand Eagle and will continue working on them a.
> > > > > > Development
> > > > > > > Guide https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/
> > > > > Development+Guide
> > > > > > >     b. Product features introduction https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > confluence/display/EAG/Development+Guide
> > > > > > >     c. More information w.r.t. roadmap or technical design,
> etc.
> > > can
> > > > be
> > > > > > > found at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EAG/Eagle
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Speaking of documentation, many thanks for your
> contribution
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Alert Engine on Spark Streaming https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > > > > confluence/display/EAG/Alert+Engine+on+Spark+Streaming. We
> > really
> > > > > > > appreciate it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Your concerns should be solved. please let us know your
> > > thoughts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     Best regards
> > > > > > >     Jing
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >     On 9/1/16, 1:17 PM, "Michael Wu" <mchl....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >         Security page at http://eagle.incubator.apache.
> > > > > > org/sup/index.html
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > >         updated with new content, please review if it conforms
> to
> > > > what
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > expected.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >         On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Michael Wu <
> > > > > mchl....@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >         > Hi mentors,
> > > > > > >         >
> > > > > > >         > I will update security page content taking the
> > mentioned
> > > > > > aspects.
> > > > > > >         >
> > > > > > >         > Except for the security part, is there any other gaps
> > > that
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > feel eagle
> > > > > > >         > has to fill before graduation? Please feel free to
> > point
> > > > > issues
> > > > > > > out and we
> > > > > > >         > will do our best to get aligned to what graduation
> > > > requires.
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > >         >
> > > > > > >         > Michael
> > > > > > >         >
> > > > > > >         > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Julian Hyde <
> > > > > jh...@apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >         >
> > > > > > >         >> I did a quick survey, and it seems that most
> projects
> > do
> > > > not
> > > > > > > have a
> > > > > > >         >> security team[1], which means that vulnerabilities
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > > > reported to
> > > > > > >         >> secur...@apache.org. Of the projects that do, Kafka
> > > > seems a
> > > > > > > good model
> > > > > > >         >> to follow; its security page is simple and clear[2].
> > > > > > >         >>
> > > > > > >         >> Julian
> > > > > > >         >>
> > > > > > >         >> [1] http://www.apache.org/security/projects.html <
> > > > > > >         >> http://www.apache.org/security/projects.html>
> > > > > > >         >>
> > > > > > >         >> [2] http://kafka.apache.org/project-security.html <
> > > > > > >         >> http://kafka.apache.org/project-security.html>
> > > > > > >         >>
> > > > > > >         >>
> > > > > > >         >> > On Aug 23, 2016, at 6:29 PM, P. Taylor Goetz <
> > > > > > > ptgo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >
> > > > > > >         >> >
> > > > > > >         >> > The maturity model assessment looks good to me,
> > > though I
> > > > > > > haven't delved
> > > > > > >         >> deep into it.
> > > > > > >         >> >
> > > > > > >         >> > Regarding security issues, since Eagle is a
> > > > > security-related
> > > > > > > product I
> > > > > > >         >> would expect there to be a well-defined
> > process/protocol
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > ensured
> > > > > > >         >> vulnerability reports were kept private until
> patched,
> > > CVE
> > > > > > > process, etc.
> > > > > > >         >> Eagle hasn't had any major security issues during
> > > > > incubation,
> > > > > > > but should be
> > > > > > >         >> prepared for them after graduation.
> > > > > > >         >> >
> > > > > > >         >> > Here [1] [2] are two great resources for
> > understanding
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > is expected
> > > > > > >         >> from an ASF standpoint.
> > > > > > >         >> >
> > > > > > >         >> > -Taylor
> > > > > > >         >> >
> > > > > > >         >> > [1] http://www.apache.org/security/
> > > > > > >         >> > [2] http://www.apache.org/
> security/committers.html
> > > > > > >         >> >
> > > > > > >         >> >> On Aug 23, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Julian Hyde <
> > > > > jh...@apache.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >> I reviewed https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
> > > > > > >         >> uence/display/EAG/Eagle+Podling+Maturity+Assessment
> <
> > > > > > >         >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confl
> > uence/display/EAG/Eagle+
> > > > Podli
> > > > > > >         >> ng+Maturity+Assessment> and it looks good.
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >> Only one issue. Regarding QU30: The dev list and
> > JIRA
> > > > > > > (listed in
> > > > > > >         >> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/sup/index.html <
> > > > > > >         >> http://eagle.incubator.apache.org/sup/index.html>)
> do
> > > not
> > > > > > seem
> > > > > > >         >> appropriate places to report security issues,
> because
> > > they
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > public. Is a
> > > > > > >         >> private channel needed?
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >> Can some other mentors please review?
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >> I think the consensus is emerging that Eagle is
> > ready
> > > > to
> > > > > > > graduate. The
> > > > > > >         >> community should start taking steps to graduate,
> > > including
> > > > > > > agreeing bylaws
> > > > > > >         >> (or deciding that bylaws are not necessary),
> choosing
> > an
> > > > > > > initial PMC chair,
> > > > > > >         >> crafting the resolution for the Board, and starting
> a
> > > vote
> > > > > > > thread.
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >> Julian
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >>
> > > > > > >         >> >>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Edward Zhang <
> > > > > > > yonzhang2...@apache.org>
> > > > > > >         >> wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>> I have commented some assessment points and we
> can
> > > > > remove
> > > > > > > that once
> > > > > > >         >> after
> > > > > > >         >> >>> they are reviewed.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>> Thanks
> > > > > > >         >> >>> Edward
> > > > > > >         >> >>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Hao Chen <
> > > > > > h...@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> Thanks Michael for preparing the "Eagle Podling
> > > > > Maturity
> > > > > > > Assessment".
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> Eagle community,
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> could you (in particular Mentors & PPMC) please
> > > help
> > > > > > > review and
> > > > > > >         >> comment?
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> - Hao
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Michael Wu <
> > > > > > > mchl....@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >         >> wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> Hi guys,
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> Following the model Julian cited, we created a
> > > wiki
> > > > > page
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> self-assessment at:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+
> > > > > > > Podlin
> > > > > > >         >> g+Maturity+Assessment
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> .
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> Please take a look at it and make your
> valuable
> > > > > > judgement
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> instructions.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> Overall, according to the aspects that the
> model
> > > > > values
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > >         >> inspects, and
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> traverse the results listed in the wiki page,
> > > > > > personally,
> > > > > > > I think
> > > > > > >         >> Eagle
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> is
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> approaching the point of graduation, and is
> > facing
> > > > the
> > > > > > > right way
> > > > > > >         >> towards
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> it. (please correct me if i'm wrong, thanks)
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> In this assessment wiki page, status "OK"
> stands
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > >         >> resolved
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> items, status "ON GOING" stands for 2 items
> that
> > > > we're
> > > > > > > striving to
> > > > > > >         >> work
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> on
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> and will update. Additionally, there is 1 item
> > > > marked
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > "NOT APPLY"
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> because the "convenient binaries" model seems
> > not
> > > > > > fitting
> > > > > > > for eagle,
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> could
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> you please verify if it's true and rule RE40
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> <
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/
> > > > confluence/display/EAG/Eagle+
> > > > > > > Podlin
> > > > > > >         >> g+Maturity+Assessment#
> EaglePodlingMaturityAssessment
> > > -RE40
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> could be skipped?
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> Any comment and instruction will be
> appreciated,
> > > as
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > we made or
> > > > > > >         >> will
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> make is to keep the project running in the
> right
> > > > way.
> > > > > :)
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> Michael
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Hao Chen <
> > > > > > > h...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> Thanks very much for bringing up graduation
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > for Eagle.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> Eagle community has almost fully understand
> how
> > > to
> > > > > run
> > > > > > > an open
> > > > > > >         >> source
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> project in apache way.  Apache Eagle
> > (incubating)
> > > > is
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > > open to be
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> contributed and adopted by lots of different
> > > > > > > organizations
> > > > > > >         >> including
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> but
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> not limited to eBay, Paypal, Dataguides,
> > > Yihaodian,
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > >         >> community
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> has
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> continuously been building and expanding
> itself
> > > by
> > > > > > > sharing and
> > > > > > >         >> talking
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> eagle with the word industry in international
> > > > > > > conferences like
> > > > > > >         >> Hadoop
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> Summit, Hadoop Stratus, QCon in San Jose,
> > London,
> > > > > > > Dublin, Shanghai,
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> Beijing, etc. and also lots of meetups. And
> the
> > > > > > > community has
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> successfully
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> release v0.3.0, v0.4.0 and is actively
> > preparing
> > > > > v0.5.0
> > > > > > > following
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> apache
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> releasing process.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> To make it clear how close is eagle ready to
> > > > > graduate,
> > > > > > > right now
> > > > > > >         >> the
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> community is working on preparing an "Eagle
> > > Podling
> > > > > > > Maturity
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> Assessment"
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> to
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> measure how mature eagle is and what tasks
> may
> > > > remain
> > > > > > > before
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> graduation,
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> will be sent out very soon.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> - Hao
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 11:25 AM, P. Taylor
> > > Goetz <
> > > > > > >         >> ptgo...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>> Graduation is mostly about whether a podling
> > is
> > > > > > healthy
> > > > > > > in terms
> > > > > > >         >> of
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>> growing the community and making releases. I
> > > don't
> > > > > > > think technical
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>> issues
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>> are relevant here.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>> -Taylor
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Tang
> > > > > > > Jijun(上海_技术部_架构部_大数据平台_唐觊隽) <
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>> tangji...@yhd.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> I don't think eagle is ready to graduate.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> Because
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> 1 Code is not stable.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> 2 Project need more unit test.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> Best Wishes
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> 唐觊隽
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> Jr. Engineer , Architecture - Fundation,
> Tech
> > > > Dept
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> Floor 4, 295 ZUCHONGZHI RD, Zhangjiang,
> > > Shanghai
> > > > > > > (201203)
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> -----邮件原件-----
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> 发件人: Edward Zhang [mailto:
> > yonzhang2012@apache.
> > > > org]
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> 发送时间: 2016年7月29日 5:19
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> 收件人: dev@eagle.incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> 主题: Re: [DISCUSS] Is Eagle ready to
> graduate?
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> Yes, we should discuss that on the list,
> and
> > > will
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > through
> > > > > > >         >> >>>> maturity
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>> model first soon.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> Thanks
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>> Edward
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Julian
> > Hyde <
> > > > > > > jh...@apache.org>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>>> … also want to discuss this with other
> > > > > > contributors.
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>> Why not discuss with them on this list?
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>> Julian
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >         >> >>>>>>>
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