Question now is whether the numbers are so low because the docs aren't
required or because they are so bad.
On 05/12/2019 14:26, Robert Metzger wrote:
I just checked GA:
All numbers are for the last month, independent of the Flink version:
aws.html: 918 pageviews
mapr_setup.html: 108 pageviews
gce_setup.html: 256 pageviews
Some other deployment-related pages for reference:
yarn_setup: 4687
cluster: 4284
kubernetes: 3428
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 1:53 PM Trevor Grant <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Same as Ufuk (non-binding)
In general, docs pages are great "first commits" to leave out there as
newb-issues.
Also though, worth checking how often people use the page (e.g. GA)
3rd option: add a `.bu` to AWS/GCE pages and open a JIRA ticket to fix them
(and put a readme explaining why they are in `.bu` status (which should
prevent the build from picking them up), in essence, you're commenting them
all out until someone can come around fix them.
Further, I would put a holder page in their place that says something like,
"This works, but we need someone to update the docs- check out JIRA XXXX
for more details", might get someone to clean em up sooner w a little
advertising.
Just my .02
I can't do full overhauls right now, but I could execute the "comment out"
option if it comes to that.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:35 AM Ufuk Celebi <u...@apache.org> wrote:
+1 to drop the MapR page.
For the other two I'm +0. I fully agree that the linked AWS and GCE pages
are in bad shape and don't relate to a component developed by the
community. Do we have any numbers from Google Analytics on how popular
those pages are? If they are somewhat popular, I would prefer to "fix
them"
to be good starting points for users in those environments (probably by
boiling them down to saying something simple such as "You should use
FileSystem [...] and point it to [...].").
– Ufuk
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 10:49 AM Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org>
wrote:
If the community cannot manage to keep the vendor-specific
documentation
up
to date, then I believe it is better to drop it. Hence +1 for the
proposal.
Cheers,
Till
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 3:12 PM Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org>
wrote:
+1
Best,
Aljoscha
On 2. Dec 2019, at 18:38, Konstantin Knauf <
konstan...@ververica.com
wrote:
+1 from my side to drop.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 6:34 PM Seth Wiesman <sjwies...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi all,
I'd like to discuss dropping vendor-specific deployment
documentation
from
Flink's official docs. To be clear, I am *NOT* suggesting we drop
any of
the filesystem documentation, but the following three pages.
AWS:
https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/ops/deployment/aws.html
Google Compute Engine:
https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/ops/deployment/gce_setup.html
MapR:
https://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/ops/deployment/mapr_setup.html
Unlike the filesystems, these docs do not refer to components
maintained by
the Apache Flink community, but external commercial services and
products.
None of these pages are well maintained and I do not think the
open-source
community can reasonably be expected to keep them up to date. In
particular,
- The AWS page contains sparse information and mostly just links
to
the
official EMR docs.
- The Google Compute Engine page is out of date and the commands
do
not
work.
- MapR contains some relevant information but the community has
already
dropped the MapR filesystem so I am not sure that deployment
would
work
(I
have not tested).
There is also a larger question of which vendor products should be
included
and which should not. That is why I would like to suggest dropping
these
pages and referring users to vendor maintained documentation
whenever
they
are using one of these services.
Seth Wiesman
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