We have seen users who need per-Region permission for Data read/write, so
there is precedent there at least.

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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 2:11 PM, pulkit chandra <pulkit.chan...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> For per instance permission, I would say look for the evidence. Do we have
> evidence that customers want per instance permission? If not may be
> implement minimally in the first cut and validate with customers if they
> want per instance model?
>
> About Lucene concern, It is in fact good to provide permission for per
> logical operation that implementation is doing. This will align the
> security permission with operations performed and provide better design of
> a role. I would argue if you are able to perform 2 logically separate
> operations with single permission is perhaps a smell that you might not
> have enough permissions.
>
> my $0.02
>
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 at 16:54 Dan Smith <dsm...@pivotal.io> wrote:
>
> > I agree that async event queues seem like a different case than wan or
> > disk. In that case you are not using anything that creating a region
> > doesn't do.
> >
> > Shouldn't creating a region be DATA:MANAGE:DISK? Requiring DATA
> privileges
> > for a region without disk and CLUSTER privileges for a region with disk
> > seems weird. Same issues with creating a region that uses WAN.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Diane Rose Hardman <
> dhard...@pivotal.io>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One more possible complication is that creating a Lucene index will
> also
> > > create an AsyncEventQueue. Today the required permission to create the
> > AEQ
> > > is DATA:MANAGE which coincidentally nicely matches the permission
> > required
> > > to create an OQL index.
> > > Pulling out the AEQ as a separate resource will affect Lucene index
> > > creation. FYI.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jinmei Liao <jil...@pivotal.io>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > DATA:*:RegionA would allow you to only operate that region but not
> all
> > of
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > if we want to control a specific wan, maybe we add a fourth
> parameter:
> > > > cluster:*:wan:wanName, same goes for Disk etc.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Jacob Barrett <jbarr...@pivotal.io>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Think further, what about the team that ask that I be able to
> mange a
> > > > > region not all regions, or a wan not all wan. It may be time to
> think
> > > > about
> > > > > a full per instance /
> > > > > named resource based security model.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:59 PM Jared Stewart <jstew...@pivotal.io
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think it would also be a good idea to move the current
> operations
> > > > > > permitted by CLUSTER:MANAGE ( stop server, alter runtime, etc) to
> > > > require
> > > > > > the more specific CLUSTER:MANAGE:MEMBER in order to avoid
> > ambiguity.
> > > > > (This
> > > > > > is not a breaking change since CLUSTER:MANAGE implies
> > > > > > CLUSTER:MANAGE:MEMBER.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Swapnil Bawaskar <
> > > sbawas...@pivotal.io>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In our current security model, a user with DATA:MANAGE can
> create
> > > > > > regions,
> > > > > > > create disk stores, WAN gateways etc. I think this is a very
> wide
> > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > because an administrator may want to give create region
> privilege
> > > to
> > > > a
> > > > > > > developer, but not necessarily give them the ability to create
> > disk
> > > > > > stores
> > > > > > > or send the data in that region over WAN. I propose that we
> > refine
> > > > the
> > > > > > > security model to make it finer grained.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I propose that Disk, WAN and AsyncQueue be treated as resources
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > security framework. These resources will be controlled at the
> > > CLUSTER
> > > > > > > level. As with any other resource, admins will be able to grant
> > > READ,
> > > > > > WRITE
> > > > > > > and MANAGE permissions to these resources. In terms of shiro,
> > this
> > > > will
> > > > > > > take the form: CLUSTER:READ/WRITE/MANAGE:DISK,WAN,ASYNCQUEUE.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is how it will work out for each resource:
> > > > > > > DISK
> > > > > > > 1. CLUSTER:MANAGE:DISK - allows users to create/manage disk
> > stores
> > > > > > > 2. CLUSTER:WRITE:DISK - allows users to create regions that
> > > > > > write/overflow
> > > > > > > to disk stores
> > > > > > > 3. CLUSTER:READ:DISK - should be covered by DATA:READ, does not
> > > make
> > > > > > sense
> > > > > > > here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WAN:
> > > > > > > 1. CLUSTER:MANAGE:WAN - allows users to create gateway senders
> > and
> > > > > > receivers
> > > > > > > 2. CLUSTER:WRITE:WAN - allows users to create regions that
> write
> > > data
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > gateway senders
> > > > > > > 3. CLUSTER:READ:WAN - allows users to create regions that read
> > data
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > gateway receivers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can add other things like functions here as well.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Jinmei
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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