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> On Mar 9, 2017, at 5:46 AM, Alex Karasulu <akaras...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I think more important than whether or not JEE is popular (or whatever along
> those lines), are the questions about community health and is the PMC still
> capable of fulfilling its duties.
>
> My 2 cents,
> --Alex
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de
> <mailto:strub...@yahoo.de>> wrote:
> Romain and I went through the Geronimo SVN and made a list of which
> components are used by other projects.
>
>
> Useful Geronimo components from https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/>
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/KEYS
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/KEYS>
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/components/txmanager
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/components/txmanager>
> • TomEE (txmgr+connector)
> • Meecrowave (txmgr)
> • Aries (txmgr)
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/components/geronimo-schema-javaee_6
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/components/geronimo-schema-javaee_6>
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/genesis/
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/genesis/>
> • Maven parents for geronimo-specs
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/javamail/
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/javamail/>
> • TomEE as delivery
> • Lot of standalone
> • -> we can ask Hendrik pby
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/specs/
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/specs/>
> • TomEE
> • OpenWebBeans
> • Meecrowave
> • OpenJPA
> • Johnzon
> • BatchEE
> • Karaf
> • Aries
> • Tons of external customer projects which don’t want to use some
> official javax jars due to licensing concerns
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/xbean/
> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/geronimo/xbean/>
> • TomEE
> • OpenWebBeans
> • Meecrowave
> • Aries
> • Karaf
> • OpenJPA
> • CXF (supported)
>
> Osgi-locator too but guess this one can drop and belong to karaf or
> servicemix.
> Q: well we need the osgi locator in our geronimo-specs, isn’t?
>
>
> I've created a google doc. Just ping me if you want to edit something and
> I'll share it.
>
> David, you mentioned JASPIC. I could not find that even. Is this inside the
> geronimo-server probably?
> Are there other gems which are not maintained as components but just inside
> geronimo?
>
> txs and LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 09.03.2017 um 08:44 schrieb David Jencks <david.a.jen...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:david.a.jen...@gmail.com>>:
> >
> > I go back and forth on whether to shut G down completely. Perhaps it would
> > be useful to inventory which parts are used by which other projects? Off
> > the top of my head….
> >
> > Specs …. who uses G’s and who has their own?
> >
> > Components…. I think there are several users of the transaction manager, I
> > don’t know about the connector framework, and I’m pretty sure no one uses
> > my jaspic implementation. The TM is stable but now that faster than
> > spinning rust persistent memory is popular the logger could probably be
> > rewritten to be much faster.
> >
> > xbean …. tomee I believe, anyone else? Does activemq still use
> > xbean-spring? Knowing more about osgi now I might be able to gets
> > xbean-blueprint to work:-)
> >
> > yoko is used by IBM, I doubt anyone else will get all excited about CORBA
> > and start contributing.
> >
> > Any other bits being used?
> >
> > If we kept G around in a reduced state, how will we maintain enough
> > interest to file the board reports? Some days I think I might have enough
> > interest and some days not.
> >
> > If we did not shut down the whole project would we mark the removed bits
> > (server primarily) as not being developed or move them to the attic?
> >
> > thanks
> > david jencks
> >
> >> On Mar 8, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com
> >> <mailto:rmannibu...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> A valid point is activity related to G happens elsewhere, However
> >> elsewhere is not "tomee" which would make things simple to move but A, B,
> >> C so shutting down G is likely the easiest solution for G itself but also
> >> the worse for all its dependent projects - and ASF consistency since G is
> >> now seen as the owner of specs, xbean etc....Today G is the result of
> >> communities and I don't see it as a bad thing even if not common @ASF. It
> >> allows new interactions with sometimes completely different area of
> >> knowledge which is actually great and can't happen elsewhere IMHO (the
> >> dead of G would mean fork per project probably).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn | JavaEE Factory
> >>
> >> 2017-03-09 5:13 GMT+01:00 Matt Hogstrom <m...@hogstrom.org
> >> <mailto:m...@hogstrom.org>>:
> >> I’ve monitored G for several years since my departure. For me, JEE is not
> >> my main area of focus and as such, I’ve invested little time in the
> >> project apart from reading the e-mail threads. This is a community
> >> decision and posting the discussion to dev@ is the right venue.
> >>
> >> As an inactive member I don’t have a strong vote, but, my observation is
> >> that most of the community has moved on and there is little activity. If
> >> those that are still active want to keep going then God’s speed.
> >>
> >> Matt Hogstrom
> >> m...@hogstrom.org <mailto:m...@hogstrom.org>
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> >>
> >> "I’m smart enough to know how dumb I am."
> >> - Hogstrom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 08:47, Jason Dillon <jdil...@apache.org
> >>> <mailto:jdil...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On March 8, 2017 at 10:44:45 AM, Mark Struberg (strub...@yahoo.de
> >>> <mailto:strub...@yahoo.de>) wrote:
> >>>> Alan, I understand that you don't want to put much more energy into this
> >>>> project. That is totally understandable and fine.
> >>>> But while you are PMC chair you still cannot declare that the project is
> >>>> dead as long as there are enough PMC members still active to keep the
> >>>> project going.
> >>>
> >>> Mark, I agree with Alan and Kevan, though put into my own words I think
> >>> the project and community is no longer viable (and has not been for a
> >>> while). I do believe there are still useful aspects to the project, but
> >>> I don’t think its enough to leave on its own.
> >>>
> >>> We can certainly wait for more PMC members to chime in if they are still
> >>> monitoring. As Jeff recommended I’m including the private@ list for PMC
> >>> folks that may not be paying as much attention to the dev@ list.
> >>>
> >>>> Before we dump the project I suggest we start with an analysis of where
> >>>> we are right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> What about starting look into
> >>>> .) Who is still active and willing to continue Geronimo as a ee-commons
> >>>> project?
> >>> So far I’ve not really seen anyone over the past days of communication
> >>> about this. But we’ll see.
> >>>
> >>> —jason
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> .) Which project parts of the project are of some shared interest and
> >>>> might be good to get some maintenance love and some realistic chance
> >>>> that this is gonna happening?
> >>> I can’t speak for the others, but I have zero interested in putting any
> >>> love in to any of what is presently here.
> >>>
> >>> I will defer to others to explain if they feel otherwise, though I do
> >>> recall some chatter on private@ but will probably need those folks to
> >>> re-post to dev@ to include that discussion.
> >>>
> >>> —jason
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> -- Alex
