Hi Dmitriy, The design is aligned totally. The thread you mention was not named properly.
It seems to me some community members are trying to take over the community and lead it instead of doing. As a member of the Apache community, I value Do-ocracy and power of those who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders in open source, just do'ers. By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For me, their conclusion has more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an additional release for SG and SG developers agree, it works for me. Sincerely, Dmitriy Pavlov пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org>: > Dmitriy, > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that Service Grid changes are not > going to make the release because the community still did not approve the > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen any design discussions. > At this point, I have no confidence that the Service Grid changes will make > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out of question altogether. > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let him drive the release. To > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the release is going according to > the schedule he proposed. > > D. > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir, > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release dates-pushing because of > some > > open question. > > > > Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude something into scope, > > does not mean that whole community disagreed. > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with results of the review, I > see > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we need to revisit our > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more. > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally important to you? > > > > Sincerely, > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrak...@apache.org>: > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we should include them > > into > > > the next release. There is no need to force them into 2.7. I suggest we > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed on. > > > > > > D. > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not make any decisions > > about > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope". > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion. > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com > >: > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to *community* to decide > > > > whether > > > > > something goes to 2.7”. > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov < > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov < > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor > of a > > > > > single > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all other features and > fixes > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > delayed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to > do > > > > > release > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly > > > appeared > > > > > in > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only > to > > > > > > > master/ready > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. > Of > > > > > course > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool > > > > features > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never > > > > happen. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already > > > completerd > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not > > ready, > > > it > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The > > sole > > > > > reason > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting > > with > > > > > you. > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for > > > > > > contributions > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks. It is not best idea to use > experience > > > from > > > > > > > > > commercial > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside > > > > > community? > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 > > > > September? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who > do. > > > If > > > > > > > > contribor > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of > > > > making > > > > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who > > privately > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur < > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm > > > > finalizing > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet. > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay > > > Izhikov > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a > > couple > > > of > > > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485 > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a > > > blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail > > after > > > > > > commit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < > > > > > > > stku...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, > > see > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for > > fixing > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely > sure > > > what > > > > > > > status > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. > I > > > > don't > > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to > > > > doing/releasing > > > > > > > > > > something'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature > > has > > > > > > quite a > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. > Just > > > went > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda < > > > > > > > > dma...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please > control, > > > > that > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly > > > > according > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have > > > private > > > > > > > > > discussions > > > > > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not > > everything > > > > > should > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated. > However, > > > > > agree, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done > publicly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a > > > discussion > > > > > > where > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the > > release > > > or > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light > on > > > the > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > status of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> service grid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s) > > > > > > > > > > > first. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it > > can > > > > > > happen), > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current > > > agreement" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some > > sort > > > of > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then > > name > > > an > > > > > > > > > agreement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please > control, > > > > that > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly > > > > according > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir > Ozerov > > < > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of > > Service > > > > > Grid - > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal > > was > > > > to > > > > > > try > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy > > Pavlov > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to > > some > > > > > > thread? > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> missed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service > > Grid > > > is > > > > > out > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review > > stage > > > so > > > > > > far, > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> able to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy > > > > Pavlov > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for > > > > > > > stabilization* > > > > > > > > > (1 > > > > > > > > > > > Oct - > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Oct) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service > > > Grid > > > > is > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay > > > > > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> nizhi...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> akuznet...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey Kuznetsov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
