Igniters, There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination detection, and I'm working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have trivial yet important fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections? [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>: > Folks, > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy discussion about SG > inclusion to 2.7. > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss things before agreement > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some pre-build agreements' here. BTW > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid. > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is the principal place where > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar decisions will be building on > the dev list. > > Sincerely, > Dmitriy Pavlov > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: > > > Hello, guys. > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not see a single chance for > > Service > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are still keeping hope > alive. > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any feature involving consensus > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized after initial public > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in October we will see it > > > completed, but what about testing? What about regressions with other > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday a lot of efforts will be > > put > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole purpose of that > pre-release > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of Ignite internals in the > > middle > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be lost. This is simply a > > > matter of respect to contributor's time. > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us at rush. Rush during > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is known - bad features, > > which > > > makes damage to the project. > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to move it to AI 2.8 right > > now? > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being ready. This simple > action > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to quality of the product, and > > > remove any risks that potential merge will defeat stabilization effrots > > of > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav Daradur < > daradu...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be implemented in phase 1, > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished. > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track phase 1 scope. > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we completely rework component > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and we build the base for > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign includes: > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take about 1 month to test > > properly > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including redeployment tests and restart > tests > > on > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight runs. If this type of > > testing > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be unreasonable to expect > > this > > > > > feature making it into the release. > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing? > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, but not a commenter, > like > > me, > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more context. In general, I'm > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool > > features. > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many emotions in discussion of > any > > > > > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG redesign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed about: Service Grid redesign > a > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite. > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current task state: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and aligned* both: privately > with > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey Goncharyuk, Anton Vinogradov, > > Denis > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task is done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*. > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this contribution and gave Vyacheslav > a > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a day or two. > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov review on the beginning > of > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member wants to help *by doing > > things, > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*. > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are welcome. PR is here [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually exclusive options regarding > of > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates. > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with the bunch of new cool > > features. > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at the end of the year with > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a lot of things can > happen. > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG release version *when it > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The thread you mention was > not > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community members are trying to take > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache community, I value Do-ocracy and > > power > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. There are no leaders in open > > > > > > > > source, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > do'ers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and Vyacheslav. For me, their > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is ready to lead an > additional > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of this thread that Service > Grid > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > are not > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because the community still did > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > approve > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed since. I have not seen any > > design > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no confidence that the Service Grid > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 release seems out of > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release manager. We should let him > > drive the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great job and the release is > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense with release > > dates-pushing > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > open question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with any include/exclude > > something > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole community disagreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate discussion with results > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their contribution, even if we > need > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a couple of days more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why dates are so fundamentally > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, which it is not, then we > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no need to force them into > > 2.7. > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > suggest we > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the schedule we all agreed on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement is "community did not > make > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to > > > > > > > > *community* > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > decide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide whether release of all > other > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are open-minded and we don't have > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it is not some new feature, > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important > > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and > Nikolay > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be services are not > > ready/ready to > > > > > > > > > > > > merge > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the > > release > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > October. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a > > bit for > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to > > come, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by anyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if > > > > > > > > feature is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready, > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future release, instead of > > shifting > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made > > is > > > > > > > > to let > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm not searching for enemy, > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > fighting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, > > can't > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their tasks. It is not best > idea > > to > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any > > > > > > > > pressure > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be > > > > > > > > released > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > September? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, > > power of > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, > > let's > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > right of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decision > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > Daradur < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid > > > > > > > > before [1] > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalizing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution to be sure that > > implementation is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk > > that > > > > > > > > code > > > > > > > > freeze > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of > > scope or > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test > > set > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > fail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, > Andrey > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stku...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL > > > > > > > > manager > > > > > > > > recently, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a > good > > > > > > > > > > > > candidate > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolutely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of > > > > > > > > release, > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community > > > > > > > > committed to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing/releasing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why > > such > > > > > > > > a big > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for > enemies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > > > > went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" > word. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 > PM > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dma...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair, > could > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control, > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's fine when > > > > > > > > > > > > committers/contributors > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a feature they've been > > working > > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > Not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. Otherwise, it will be > > > > > > > > > > > > inundated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > architectural > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and release decisions need > > to be > > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking about Service > Grid, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > was > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questionable whether it > gets > > > > > > > > added to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Vladislav*, could you > please > > > > > > > > shed > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > light > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > status of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > service grid? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at > 9:12 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, let's wait for > feedback > > > > > > > > from SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first. If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not ready, ok. But I > > thought > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if I missed > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion (it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the > statement > > "our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can suspect some > members > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do not to discuss it on > the > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's build consensus > here > > > > > > > > first, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, as PMC Chair, > could > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control, > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion/exclusion is > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в > > 18:55, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is an outcome of > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never committed to have > > it to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7. > > > > > > > > Our goal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at > > 6:48 > > > > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please > > provide a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > missed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. > в > > > > > > > > 18:46, > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our current > > agreement is > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > huge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature, which > hasn't > > > > > > > > entered > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stage > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review/fix/test it > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, > 2018 > > at > > > > > > > > 6:32 > > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree, and I > > prefer > > > > > > > > four > > > > > > > > weeks for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oct) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do I understand > it > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly: > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find it very > > important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 > > г. в > > > > > > > > > > > > 18:28, > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Vova. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm +1 for your > > > > > > > > proposal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. > > 2018 г., > > > > > > > > > > > > 18:25 > > > > > > > > Alexey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznet...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vova, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huge +1 to > do a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey Kuznetsov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D. > > > > > > > -- Best regards, Andrey Kuznetsov.
