Vladimir, Personally, I treat ticket creation in JIRA as an alternate action for a new dev list discussion when a task is not severe, and there is no need to start an explicit conversation. Someone wants the dev community to be aware of a task or issue, hoping that ownership will be taken soon. Yes, sometimes dev discussions precede the ticket creation, but as far as I see, there are much more "ticket first" occurrences when a discussion is redundant, but the dev community still has to be aware of.
-- Denis On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:25 PM Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com> wrote: > Denis, > > We have long discussion about that (see above). And general consensus is > that typical contributor is not interested in majority of automated > messages. All updates except of "ticket created" are already routed to the > separate list for a long time. This JIRA list contains important > notifications such as status changes and people mentions, which are of > equal importance to community. And nobody complained yet that he misses > something important because of this list. > > Moreover, when tickets are created, they are very often contain only > preliminary thoughts and design, and do not reflect accurately what is > going to be done. What does really matter is human communication on the dev > list, human comments in JIRA, IEP. > > If we want to keep community aware of new tickets still, we can organize > weekly or monthly digest with the list of all created tickets during the > period. > > Vladimir. > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:32 AM Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org> wrote: > > > -1 for this action. > > > > JIRA notifications are sent on purpose to the dev list - someone came > > across an issue and want to report it to the dev community. The community > > has to be aware of this. That's the purpose of the community to improve > and > > fix the project. It's just wrong to force to subscribe to 2 lists, people > > won't do this, we're lazy by nature. Just use email filters, that's XXI > > century but please don't separate discussions from issues reporting. > > > > -- > > Denis > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:55 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Igniters, > > > > > > After removal of GitHub Comments from the list I have (a very > subjective) > > > feeling, that there became more human-human interaction, which is > > > definitely more important that opportunity to control new JIRA tickets > > > using the list. > > > > > > I suggest coming back to the idea of moving JIRA to a separate list. > > Please > > > share your vision on this topic. Should it be j...@ignite.apache.org > or > > we > > > should reuse notificati...@ignite.apache.org > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > Please start a vote according to > > > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html > > > > Anyone can start a vote, you don't need to be a PMC. > > > > > > > > I don't feel it is a very important issue to remove notifications > from > > > the > > > > list, as it can be easily filtered out using mail setup. But if > someone > > > > feels it is really disturbing, please go ahead. I'm ok with GitHub > > > > redirection, but I will not drive this topic. > > > > > > > > ср, 21 нояб. 2018 г. в 11:40, Павлухин Иван <vololo...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > >> Dmitriy, let's proceed with it. > > > >> вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > > >> > > > > >> > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove > > > messages, > > > >> it > > > >> > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional > > > list, > > > >> > e.g. notifications@ for this. > > > >> > > > > >> > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list > > > >> creation > > > >> > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list. > > > >> > > > > >> > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org > >: > > > >> > > > > >> > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their > > > >> > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of > > course. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov < > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com > > > >> >: > > > >> > > > > > >> > >> Dmitriy, > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to > > JIRA, > > > >> create > > > >> > >> a filter for Ignite tickets > > > >> > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration > of > > > >> filters > > > >> > >> and subscriptions, so you can > > > >> > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how > often > > > you > > > >> want > > > >> > >> to receive these emails. > > > >> > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering > > > emails > > > >> from > > > >> > >> a > > > >> > >> bot. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to > > > track > > > >> new > > > >> > >> tickets, > > > >> > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, > why > > we > > > >> need > > > >> > >> to > > > >> > >> keep the forwarding to dev list. > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> Denis > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван < > vololo...@gmail.com > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > Hi, > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned > > types > > > >> on > > > >> > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list): > > > >> > >> > TC bot + > > > >> > >> > Jira - > > > >> > >> > GitHub - > > > >> > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > dpav...@apache.org > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that > > > >> importance > > > >> > >> is > > > >> > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it > > is > > > >> not > > > >> > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you. > > So I > > > >> can > > > >> > >> only > > > >> > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need > > action. > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he > or > > > she > > > >> may > > > >> > >> > think > > > >> > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of > > > contributors > > > >> who > > > >> > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to > > switch > > > >> it > > > >> > >> off. > > > >> > >> > We > > > >> > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully. > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of > > > >> human-human > > > >> > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans > > > (especially, > > > >> > >> PMCs), > > > >> > >> > so > > > >> > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach. > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive > > tendency > > > >> in > > > >> > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second > > > >> step. Only > > > >> > >> > > practice is truth criteria. > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > >> voze...@gridgain.com>: > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is > > the > > > >> only > > > >> > >> > goal. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > >> dpav...@apache.org>: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not > > classify > > > >> emails > > > >> > >> to > > > >> > >> > be > > > >> > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to > > other > > > >> > >> classes: a > > > >> > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by > > > JIRA > > > >> issue > > > >> > >> > > > created > > > >> > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with > comments, > > > >> review, > > > >> > >> > etc, you > > > >> > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also > point > > to > > > >> > >> > duplicate. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > In that paradigm, > > > >> > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to > notifications@ > > > .- > > > >> PR > > > >> > >> > creation > > > >> > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone. > > > >> > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we > > will > > > >> see > > > >> > >> > > > contributors > > > >> > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can > > > >> discuss > > > >> > >> Open > > > >> > >> > -> > > > >> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed. > > > >> > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected. > > > >> Hopefully, it > > > >> > >> > will not > > > >> > >> > > > > generate any alerts. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - > message > > > >> count to > > > >> > >> be > > > >> > >> > as > > > >> > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write > > here > > > >> at > > > >> > >> all, > > > >> > >> > we > > > >> > >> > > > can > > > >> > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from > redirection? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin < > > > >> > >> > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com>: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated > stuff. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Sergi > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван < > > > >> > >> vololo...@gmail.com>: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Oleg, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite > > > >> interesting. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > >> > >> dpav...@apache.org > > > >> > >> > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Oleg, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid > bothering > > > >> > >> community > > > >> > >> > > > > > developers > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > once again. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing > to > > > this > > > >> > >> > discussion. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda < > > > >> > >> dma...@apache.org>: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate > list. > > As > > > >> for > > > >> > >> > JIRA, not > > > >> > >> > > > > > sure > > > >> > >> > > > > > > it > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set > up > > > all > > > >> the > > > >> > >> > filters > > > >> > >> > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > spread > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders. > > > Otherwise, > > > >> some > > > >> > >> of > > > >> > >> > us > > > >> > >> > > > > might > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss > > > >> > >> notifications > > > >> > >> > when > > > >> > >> > > > > > their > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Denis > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir > Ozerov > > < > > > >> > >> > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF > > > >> member" > > > >> > >> as a > > > >> > >> > > > guide > > > >> > >> > > > > > for > > > >> > >> > > > > > > us. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > We > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some > > > point > > > >> in > > > >> > >> time > > > >> > >> > we > > > >> > >> > > > > were > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pointed > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages > has > > > >> nothing > > > >> > >> to > > > >> > >> > do > > > >> > >> > > > > with > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > healthy > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to > me. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy > > Pavlov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > dpav...@apache.org> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to? > > > Incubator > > > >> > >> member > > > >> > >> > are > > > >> > >> > > > asf > > > >> > >> > > > > > > members > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > well. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at > > the > > > >> list > > > >> > >> > started > > > >> > >> > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Jira > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not > > convince > > > >> me its > > > >> > >> > is not > > > >> > >> > > > > > > useful to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir > Ozerov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy > > Pavlov > > > < > > > >> > >> > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new > > > tickets > > > >> are > > > >> > >> not > > > >> > >> > > > > > forwarded? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is > > > >> duplicate > > > >> > >> to > > > >> > >> > > > jira, > > > >> > >> > > > > > but > > > >> > >> > > > > > > jira > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to > forward > > > all > > > >> > >> > comments and > > > >> > >> > > > > all > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > activity > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member > > > will > > > >> > >> confirm > > > >> > >> > it > > > >> > >> > > > is > > > >> > >> > > > > > not > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > useful > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues > > on > > > >> the > > > >> > >> list > > > >> > >> > we > > > >> > >> > > > can > > > >> > >> > > > > > > continue > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for > > > >> veterans > > > >> > >> but > > > >> > >> > for > > > >> > >> > > > all > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to > > the > > > >> list. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel > > Tupitsyn > > > < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ptupit...@apache.org>: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA > > > tickets > > > >> are > > > >> > >> very > > > >> > >> > > > > useful. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all > > > >> automated > > > >> > >> > emails. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated > > > emails > > > >> > >> > completely, > > > >> > >> > > > > but > > > >> > >> > > > > > > dev > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM > > Vladimir > > > >> Ozerov > > > >> > >> < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons > of > > > >> generated > > > >> > >> > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > community > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently > we > > > >> > >> obviously > > > >> > >> > have > > > >> > >> > > > > too > > > >> > >> > > > > > > much > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is > > bad. > > > >> But > > > >> > >> > whether > > > >> > >> > > > we > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place > is > > > not > > > >> > >> > important at > > > >> > >> > > > > > all, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > provided > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA > > > >> channel. > > > >> > >> And > > > >> > >> > as > > > >> > >> > > > far > > > >> > >> > > > > as > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > generated > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious > concerns > > > of > > > >> our > > > >> > >> > mentors > > > >> > >> > > > > > during > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too > little > > > real > > > >> > >> > > > > communications. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where > > we > > > >> are. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing > is > > > >> how PMCs > > > >> > >> > treat > > > >> > >> > > > > all > > > >> > >> > > > > > > these > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages - > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with > > that > > > >> > >> problem, > > > >> > >> > one > > > >> > >> > > > > PMC > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > proposed > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". > Then > > I, > > > >> > >> another > > > >> > >> > PMC, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > answered - > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > "I > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > do > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally, > > > third > > > >> PMC, > > > >> > >> who > > > >> > >> > > > also > > > >> > >> > > > > > > filters > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > these > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper > > > filter > > > >> in > > > >> > >> > GMail. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that > so > > > >> many > > > >> > >> PMC, > > > >> > >> > who > > > >> > >> > > > are > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > expected > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and > > follow > > > >> a lot > > > >> > >> of > > > >> > >> > > > > > > activities, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > find > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > it > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their > > > >> inboxes in > > > >> > >> > order > > > >> > >> > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > ... > > > >> > >> > > > > > > well > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ... > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If > > Ignite > > > >> > >> veterans > > > >> > >> > do > > > >> > >> > > > not > > > >> > >> > > > > > find > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > these > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know > who > > > >> else can > > > >> > >> > > > benefit > > > >> > >> > > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > them. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM > Denis > > > >> > >> Mekhanikov > > > >> > >> > < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set > up > > a > > > >> filter. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make > them > > do > > > >> it. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something > – > > > >> write to > > > >> > >> dev > > > >> > >> > > > list. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write > > to > > > >> dev > > > >> > >> list. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – > write > > > to > > > >> dev > > > >> > >> > list. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages > can > > > >> replace > > > >> > >> any > > > >> > >> > of > > > >> > >> > > > > these > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > points. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a > > > >> message > > > >> > >> from > > > >> > >> > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > bot. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of > JIRA > > > >> tickets > > > >> > >> > should > > > >> > >> > > > be > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notified > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending > > messages > > > >> to > > > >> > >> > everyone. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50, > > Dmitriy > > > >> > >> Pavlov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set > up > > a > > > >> filter. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to > be > > > >> done by > > > >> > >> > > > > > contributors > > > >> > >> > > > > > > in > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > future. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions > > are > > > >> made > > > >> > >> off > > > >> > >> > the > > > >> > >> > > > > list > > > >> > >> > > > > > > and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > just > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - > it > > > >> really > > > >> > >> signs > > > >> > >> > > > poor > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > community > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to > fight > > > >> with > > > >> > >> JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > > it is > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list > > > >> development. If > > > >> > >> we > > > >> > >> > > > don't > > > >> > >> > > > > > > have it, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30, > > Denis > > > >> > >> > Mekhanikov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act > openly > > > and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > community-friendly, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > then > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > we > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required > > > >> development > > > >> > >> > process. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't > > care > > > >> about > > > >> > >> it. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets > are > > > >> open for > > > >> > >> > > > everyone, > > > >> > >> > > > > > so > > > >> > >> > > > > > > no > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a > separate > > > >> mailing > > > >> > >> > list for > > > >> > >> > > > > > bots. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy > > to > > > >> search > > > >> > >> > > > through, > > > >> > >> > > > > as > > > >> > >> > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the > > dev > > > >> list, > > > >> > >> then > > > >> > >> > > > only > > > >> > >> > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > once, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > who > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the > email > > > >> filters > > > >> > >> > will see > > > >> > >> > > > > it. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, > because > > > it > > > >> will > > > >> > >> get > > > >> > >> > > > lost > > > >> > >> > > > > > > among > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in > > > receiving > > > >> the > > > >> > >> JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > notifications, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or > > even > > > >> > >> > ignite-jira) > > > >> > >> > > > > > > mailing > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what > happens > > > >> there. It > > > >> > >> > would > > > >> > >> > > > > > > simplify > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out > the > > > >> > >> > corresponding > > > >> > >> > > > > > > recipient. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to > filter > > > >> out all > > > >> > >> > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > bots, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > you > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible > topics, > > > >> that bots > > > >> > >> > may > > > >> > >> > > > > > > generate. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots > > only > > > >> grows > > > >> > >> > with > > > >> > >> > > > > time, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > filter > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, > otherwise > > > >> messages > > > >> > >> > will > > > >> > >> > > > > spill > > > >> > >> > > > > > > into > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58, > > > >> Dmitriy > > > >> > >> > Pavlov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this > decision > > > is > > > >> the > > > >> > >> > openness > > > >> > >> > > > > of > > > >> > >> > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors > > pay > > > >> > >> attention > > > >> > >> > to > > > >> > >> > > > run > > > >> > >> > > > > > > their > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly > > manner: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important > > > >> features, and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along > the > > > way > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24 > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA > > from > > > >> the > > > >> > >> list. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an > > > only > > > >> way > > > >> > >> to > > > >> > >> > keep > > > >> > >> > > > > > Ignite > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to > dev. > > > >> list. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that > > all > > > >> > >> > contributors > > > >> > >> > > > > > > announce > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be > > removed. > > > >> Now it > > > >> > >> > can't. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve > by > > > >> removing > > > >> > >> > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > list? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в > 17:34, > > > >> Denis > > > >> > >> > > > Mekhanikov > > > >> > >> > > > > < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving > > > automatically > > > >> > >> > generated > > > >> > >> > > > > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to a > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most > > > >> important > > > >> > >> > ones). > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it > > > here: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes > the > > > >> Nabble > > > >> > >> > portal an > > > >> > >> > > > > > > absolute > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mess > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human > > communication. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search > > for > > > >> old > > > >> > >> > > > discussions, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > because > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit > > > >> messages pop > > > >> > >> in > > > >> > >> > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > search > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person > > configure > > > >> email > > > >> > >> > filters > > > >> > >> > > > > is > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > waisting > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many > > > >> human-hours > > > >> > >> has > > > >> > >> > been > > > >> > >> > > > > > > spent on > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of > > > >> others, > > > >> > >> and > > > >> > >> > make > > > >> > >> > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > separation > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в > > 13:20, > > > >> > >> Dmitriy > > > >> > >> > > > Pavlov > > > >> > >> > > > > < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a > > formal > > > >> vote > > > >> > >> on > > > >> > >> > this > > > >> > >> > > > > > > change, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > then > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a > > > separate > > > >> list > > > >> > >> for > > > >> > >> > > > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Git > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в > > > 16:08, > > > >> > >> > Vladimir > > > >> > >> > > > > > Ozerov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set > > the > > > >> > >> filter" > > > >> > >> > is > > > >> > >> > > > not > > > >> > >> > > > > a > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > solution. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible > > > >> technically. > > > >> > >> E.g. > > > >> > >> > I use > > > >> > >> > > > > > > GMail and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > my > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I > > > >> cannot > > > >> > >> > extract > > > >> > >> > > > > > > generated > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > emails > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail > > capabilities. > > > >> But the > > > >> > >> > more > > > >> > >> > > > > > > important > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > things > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone > > needs > > > >> to > > > >> > >> went > > > >> > >> > > > through > > > >> > >> > > > > > > that > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a > spam. > > > >> Looks > > > >> > >> like > > > >> > >> > > > > everyone > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > agrees > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > with > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation > - > > > >> this is > > > >> > >> all > > > >> > >> > > > about > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > importance. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist, > > > this > > > >> is > > > >> > >> > likely to > > > >> > >> > > > > be > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > important > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When > someone > > > >> creates > > > >> > >> a > > > >> > >> > > > ticket, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > most > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > likely > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already > > > >> discussed > > > >> > >> > issue, or > > > >> > >> > > > > so. > > > >> > >> > > > > > In > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > other > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words - > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be > > > >> interested > > > >> > >> in > > > >> > >> > > > manual > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > and > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in > > "Ticket > > > >> > >> created" > > > >> > >> > > > > messages. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Not > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows > important. > > > >> Let's > > > >> > >> > continue > > > >> > >> > > > > > > disucssion > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as Git - what > > > >> should be > > > >> > >> > done to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > remove Git > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 > at > > > >> 6:49 PM > > > >> > >> > Dmitriy > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petr, some manual > > > >> digest, is > > > >> > >> > probably > > > >> > >> > > > > not > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > needed > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apache > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allows > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribing to > > digest. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-digest-subsr...@ignite.apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this correctly. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. 2018 > г. в > > > >> 18:28, > > > >> > >> Petr > > > >> > >> > > > > Ivanov > > > >> > >> > > > > > < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mr.wei...@gmail.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can be Jira > > > >> notifications > > > >> > >> > united in > > > >> > >> > > > > > some > > > >> > >> > > > > > > kind > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > daily > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > digest? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can add > > > >> special > > > >> > >> filter > > > >> > >> > > > (new > > > >> > >> > > > > > > tasks / > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > updates > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hours) > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with notification > > > >> scheme? > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6 Nov 2018, > at > > > >> 18:15, > > > >> > >> > Dmitriy > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should > mention > > I > > > >> > >> disagree > > > >> > >> > to > > > >> > >> > > > > remove > > > >> > >> > > > > > > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > issues > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > step. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps everyone > to > > > >> > >> understand > > > >> > >> > what > > > >> > >> > > > > > other > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > people > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > project. You > > > always > > > >> can > > > >> > >> > comment > > > >> > >> > > > if > > > >> > >> > > > > > it > > > >> > >> > > > > > > is > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > not > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > the > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach, > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find a > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duplicate > issue, > > > and > > > >> you > > > >> > >> may > > > >> > >> > > > > suggest > > > >> > >> > > > > > > help. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR notification > > is > > > >> more or > > > >> > >> > less > > > >> > >> > > > > > > duplicates > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > (as 1 > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1..* > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR), > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may be ok to > move > > > >> Git's > > > >> > >> > messages > > > >> > >> > > > to > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> notificati...@ignite.apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > >> > >> > notificati...@ignite.apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > б> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we should > > keep > > > >> JIRA > > > >> > >> and > > > >> > >> > test > > > >> > >> > > > > > > failures. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 6 нояб. > 2018 > > > г. в > > > >> > >> 17:49, > > > >> > >> > > > Alexey > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov < > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > akuznet...@apache.org > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi! > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I have filter > > for > > > >> e-mail > > > >> > >> > from > > > >> > >> > > > JIRA > > > >> > >> > > > > > > (very > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > useful, I > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quick > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> there without > > > >> visiting > > > >> > >> > JIRA). > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> And I'm just > > > >> deleting > > > >> > >> tons > > > >> > >> > of > > > >> > >> > > > > > e-mails > > > >> > >> > > > > > > from > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > GitBox > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > & > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PRs. > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I don't know > > what > > > >> for we > > > >> > >> > need > > > >> > >> > > > > them? 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