Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply, but I have to stress one thing.
Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just roles. One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and suggest/vote for new committers. There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens on a private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con. This is sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev list, in public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing, it is a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays. Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of merit and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club. A bit of info related to PMC and VP: https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal Sincerely, Dmitriy Pavlov чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo...@gmail.com>: > Hi Vova, > > Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about > Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC Chair > or not. > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org>: > > > > Vova, > > +1 to your candidacy. > > Just say yes. > > > > As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member currently > > enough for me :) > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came for > 2nd > > > time (I've checked previous thread). > > > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair. > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <ppoze...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > HI Anton, > > > > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant, > it > > > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I > was > > > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite") which > > > could > > > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list. > > > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more > whether I > > > > am ready for this role ... > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > More candidates: > > > > > > > > > > - Alexey Zinoviev. > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this. > > > > > BigData evangelist. > > > > > > > > > > - Ivan Rakov. > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this. > > > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead. > > > > > > > > > > - Denis Magda. > > > > > Keeping this stable is also the option. > > > > > > > > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn. > > > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications. > > > > > > > > > > - Roman Shtykh. > > > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer. > > > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization. > > > > > > > > > > - Vladimir Ozerov > > > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer. > > > > > Man with really strong leadership skills. > > > > > > > > > > - Yakov Zhdanov > > > > > Ignite's Godfather. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev < > > > zaleslaw....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is > not a > > > > vote? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have > more > > > > than > > > > > 1 > > > > > > candidate? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it > will > > > be > > > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job > current > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how > > > keeping > > > > > PMC > > > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could > move > > > the > > > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more > control > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of > developing > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. > But if > > > > > > Alexey > > > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with > > > GridGain, > > > > > it > > > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov < > niva...@gridgain.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda < > dma...@apache.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC > Chair and > > > > I’d > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to > serve > > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and > we’re > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can > > > > bring a > > > > > > > fresh > > > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails > not > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC > members: > > > > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. > Will > > > > > start > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > vote > > > > > > > > >> this week. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with > > > > travel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik < > > > > > > c...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Ok, > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep > insight, > > > > Roman! > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is > time > > > > to > > > > > > > > [VOTE]. > > > > > > > > >>>> The > > > > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the > [DISCUSS] > > > (in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > >>>> of > > > > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread): > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan > > > > > > > > >>>> Vladimir Ozerov > > > > > > > > >>>> Konstantin Boudnik > > > > > > > > >>>> Valentin Kulichenko > > > > > > > > >>>> Denis Magda > > > > > > > > >>>> Branko Čibej > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to > use > > > > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post > > > > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where > the > > > > > > candidate > > > > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1] > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal > > > [VOTE]? > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> [1] > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > > >>>> Cos > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan > > > > > > > > >>>>> <dsetrak...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I > > > would > > > > > > > propose > > > > > > > > >>>> Denis > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the > > > > project > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > >>>> not only > > > > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project > > > > > overall, > > > > > > > > >>>> including > > > > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted > to > > > > > offer a > > > > > > > > >>>> somewhat > > > > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe > this > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > >>>>> a little bit. > > > > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a > > > non-coding > > > > > (on > > > > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member > > > > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after > graduation > > > > more > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > >>>> ASF > > > > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to > > > directly > > > > > > > > >> contribute > > > > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during > your > > > > > > > incubation > > > > > > > > >>>> days > > > > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the > > > > > community > > > > > > > > >>>> development > > > > > > > > >>>>> front. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that > > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > > 80% > > > > > > > > >>>> of project > > > > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our > > > > > graduation. > > > > > > > > >> While > > > > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very > valid > > > > > > concern. > > > > > > > > >>>> Monocultures > > > > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community > > > hasn't > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > >>>>> improved much > > > > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly > feel > > > that > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > >>>>> to a larger > > > > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well > > > > > understood > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >>>> in order > > > > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to > > > > demonstrate a > > > > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory > > > > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped > the > > > > ball > > > > > on > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > >>>> since. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in > the > > > > > Chair > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed > > > > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree > > > with > > > > > this > > > > > > > > >>>> premise than > > > > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing > > > > function > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >>>> constantly > > > > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop > > > this > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > >>>> would > > > > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's > "tough > > > > > love" > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > >>>>> probably the > > > > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the > Incubator). > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be > a > > > > Chair > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets > > > > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair > > > doesn't > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > >>>>> have any special > > > > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but > > > anything > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > >>>> to do > > > > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair > gets > > > can > > > > > help > > > > > > > > >> quite > > > > > > > > >>>> a bit. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more > > > > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on > community > > > > > > > > >> development > > > > > > > > >>>> -- they > > > > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support. > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on). > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Ivan Pavlukhin >