On 3 October 2017 at 11:55, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of those > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated. > > Just like any dependency. I don't believe it's a rule that dependencies > have to be binary JARs. A "work" being "included" could mean source code, > not just compiled JAR. > >> If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any benefit from > it, as it is already a plugin. > > Having something included in JMeter proper would at least guarantee some > stability and security wrt the code. > > A 3rd party plugin has no such guarantees. I personally don't like hunting > down plugins for my tools especially when it's not something niche. > > I don't believe JMeter should encourage users to always use plugins; is > JMeter something usable out of the box or just a platform? > > I would gladly drop JDBC/MongoDB/JMS to have everything HTTP-related > included.
I think people are conflating different things here. JMeter does not include implementations of JDBC or JMS - or HTTP 1 for that matter. IMO protocol implementations are outside the scope of JMeter. > --emi > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> If the code is available as a plugin then I don't see the need to >> include it in JMeter itself. >> It can be listed on a plugins page on the Wiki. >> >> Remember that code that is added to the JMeter code base adds to the >> ongoing maintenance cost. >> This reduces the time that can be spent on the rest of the JMeter code. >> >> On 3 October 2017 at 11:27, Philippe Mouawad >> <p.moua...@ubik-ingenierie.com> wrote: >> > Hi Emilian, >> > Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of those >> > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated. >> > I am not even sure that this project would be willing to donate it. >> > >> > If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any benefit from >> > it, as it is already a plugin. >> > >> > Maybe before going further, we should review the code to see if it is >> worth >> > the discussion. >> > >> > Then we can ask Legal team, or feel free to ask. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> IP clearance applies to donated code which will have an ASF license >> header. >> >> >> >> For dependencies and included works this might help: >> >> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a >> >> >> >> FOR THE PURPOSES OF BEING INCLUDED IN AN APACHE PRODUCT, WHICH LICENSES >> >>> ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SIMILAR IN TERMS TO THE APACHE LICENSE 2.0? >> >>> Works under the following licenses may be included within Apache >> products: >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Apache License 2.0 >> >> >> >> >> >> Please ask Apache legal because I don't believe there are any >> restrictions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --emi >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, UBIK LOAD PACK Support < >> >> supp...@ubikloadpack.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello, >> >>> See: >> >>> >> >>> - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ip_clearance.html >> >>> >> >>> Regards >> >>> >> >>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017, Antonio Gomes Rodrigues <ra0...@gmail.com >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > Hi, >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm also curious about why we could not integrate apache licensed >> code. >> >>> I >> >>> > was thinking we can fork a plugin and integrate it in JMeter. >> >>> > >> >>> > Anybody have an idea? >> >>> > >> >>> > Antonio >> >>> > >> >>> > 2017-10-02 21:25 GMT+02:00 Philippe Mouawad < >> philippe.moua...@gmail.com >> >>> > <javascript:;>>: >> >>> > >> >>> > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Emilian Bold < >> emilian.b...@gmail.com >> >>> > <javascript:;>> >> >>> >> >>> > > wrote: >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their code to JMeter, we >> cannot >> >>> > take >> >>> > > it >> >>> > > > as it would be a license infringement at minimum. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > It's open source under the Apache 2.0 license. The license itself >> >>> > allows >> >>> > > > you to bundle it with JMeter proper. Of course, it won't be >> owned by >> >>> > the >> >>> > > > ASF but you can have it as a dependency. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > You could also "fork" it (or "vendor" it) if you want to add some >> >>> > > patches. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > AFAIK, we need for this the owner to make a donation as piece of >> code >> >>> is >> >>> > > important. >> >>> > > There is IP clearance process at Apache for that. I doubt that we >> can >> >>> > take >> >>> > > it as is or fork it, but I'm not an expert in those matters. >> >>> > > Maybe Andrei can tell us more. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > Have there been any talks with CA Technologies / Blazemeter to >> >>> perhaps >> >>> > > > donate the plugin to the ASF? >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation ? >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Why would I do that when you have this plugin available under a >> >>> > > compatible >> >>> > > > license as well as this other one >> >>> > > > https://github.com/syucream/jmeter-http2-plugin under Apache 2.0 >> >>> based >> >>> > > on >> >>> > > > netty? >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > I tested this one, it does not work very well. >> >>> > > Looks more like a POC than a stable implementation. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > --emi >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Philippe Mouawad < >> >>> > > > philippe.moua...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > Hi Emilian, >> >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their code to JMeter, we >> cannot >> >>> > take >> >>> > > it >> >>> > > > > as it would be a license infringement at minimum. >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > Regarding HTTP2 there are many options AFAIK: >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > - Jetty >> >>> > > > > - Netty >> >>> > > > > - HC5 >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation ? >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > Regards >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Emilian Bold < >> >>> emilian.b...@gmail.com >> >>> > <javascript:;>> >> >>> > > > > wrote: >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Hello, >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > I see we have a HTTP2 plugin >> >>> > > > > > https://github.com/Blazemeter/jmeter-bzm-plugins based on >> the >> >>> > Jetty >> >>> > > > > HTTP2 >> >>> > > > > > support and under an Apache 2.0 license. >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Is there any reason JMeter could not bless this >> implementation >> >>> and >> >>> > > > bundle >> >>> > > > > > it? >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > --emi >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > > -- >> >>> > > > > Cordialement. >> >>> > > > > Philippe Mouawad. >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > -- >> >>> > > Cordialement. >> >>> > > Philippe Mouawad. >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Regards >> >>> Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com> Team >> >>> Follow us on Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Cordialement >> >>> L'équipe Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com> >> >>> Suivez-nous sur Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Cordialement. >> > Philippe Mouawad. >> > Ubik-Ingénierie >> > >> > UBIK LOAD PACK Web Site <http://www.ubikloadpack.com/> >> > >> > UBIK LOAD PACK on TWITTER <https://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> >>
