On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've asked legal-discuss@ [1] and will post back here with what I find. > > In the mean time I also believe it might not be out of the question for CA > Technologies to donate the code to the ASF. It would be the best option. > I know some of the folks there > are on the mailing list, perhaps we'll get some replies regarding this > possibility. > I hope so. > > 1. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/8db4686f7a2d98da66d57e7533eee1 > 3f81d7ecf19afa293a7c26e99f@%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E > I see the thread is big now :-) So I wasn't wrong thinking it was not that easy > > --emi > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Philippe Mouawad < > philippe.moua...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of > > those > > > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated. > > > > > > Just like any dependency. I don't believe it's a rule that dependencies > > > have to be binary JARs. A "work" being "included" could mean source > code, > > > not just compiled JAR. > > > > > > > As I am not sure I'll let legal answer > > > > > > > > > If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any benefit > > from > > > it, as it is already a plugin. > > > > > > Having something included in JMeter proper would at least guarantee > some > > > stability and security wrt the code > > > > > > Absolutely > > > > > . > > > > > > A 3rd party plugin has no such guarantees. I personally don't like > > hunting > > > down plugins for my tools especially when it's not something niche. > > > > > > > Absolutely > > > > > > > > I don't believe JMeter should encourage users to always use plugins; is > > > JMeter something usable out of the box or just a platform? > > > > > > > OOTB usable for me > > > > > > > > I would gladly drop JDBC/MongoDB/JMS to have everything HTTP-related > > > included. > > > > > > > MongoDB is a good candidate. > > I think JMS and JDBC are far from being a niche based on questions on SO > > for example. > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If the code is available as a plugin then I don't see the need to > > > > include it in JMeter itself. > > > > It can be listed on a plugins page on the Wiki. > > > > > > > > Remember that code that is added to the JMeter code base adds to the > > > > ongoing maintenance cost. > > > > This reduces the time that can be spent on the rest of the JMeter > code. > > > > > > > > On 3 October 2017 at 11:27, Philippe Mouawad > > > > <p.moua...@ubik-ingenierie.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Emilian, > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of > > > those > > > > > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated. > > > > > I am not even sure that this project would be willing to donate it. > > > > > > > > > > If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any benefit > > > from > > > > > it, as it is already a plugin. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe before going further, we should review the code to see if it > is > > > > worth > > > > > the discussion. > > > > > > > > > > Then we can ask Legal team, or feel free to ask. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Emilian Bold < > > emilian.b...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> IP clearance applies to donated code which will have an ASF > license > > > > header. > > > > >> > > > > >> For dependencies and included works this might help: > > > > >> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a > > > > >> > > > > >> FOR THE PURPOSES OF BEING INCLUDED IN AN APACHE PRODUCT, WHICH > > > LICENSES > > > > >>> ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SIMILAR IN TERMS TO THE APACHE LICENSE 2.0? > > > > >>> Works under the following licenses may be included within Apache > > > > products: > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Apache License 2.0 > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Please ask Apache legal because I don't believe there are any > > > > restrictions. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --emi > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, UBIK LOAD PACK Support < > > > > >> supp...@ubikloadpack.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Hello, > > > > >>> See: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ip_clearance.html > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Regards > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017, Antonio Gomes Rodrigues < > > > ra0...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Hi, > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > I'm also curious about why we could not integrate apache > licensed > > > > code. > > > > >>> I > > > > >>> > was thinking we can fork a plugin and integrate it in JMeter. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Anybody have an idea? > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Antonio > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > 2017-10-02 21:25 GMT+02:00 Philippe Mouawad < > > > > philippe.moua...@gmail.com > > > > >>> > <javascript:;>>: > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Emilian Bold < > > > > emilian.b...@gmail.com > > > > >>> > <javascript:;>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their code to JMeter, > we > > > > cannot > > > > >>> > take > > > > >>> > > it > > > > >>> > > > as it would be a license infringement at minimum. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > It's open source under the Apache 2.0 license. The license > > > itself > > > > >>> > allows > > > > >>> > > > you to bundle it with JMeter proper. Of course, it won't be > > > > owned by > > > > >>> > the > > > > >>> > > > ASF but you can have it as a dependency. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > You could also "fork" it (or "vendor" it) if you want to > add > > > some > > > > >>> > > patches. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > AFAIK, we need for this the owner to make a donation as piece > > of > > > > code > > > > >>> is > > > > >>> > > important. > > > > >>> > > There is IP clearance process at Apache for that. I doubt > that > > we > > > > can > > > > >>> > take > > > > >>> > > it as is or fork it, but I'm not an expert in those matters. > > > > >>> > > Maybe Andrei can tell us more. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > Have there been any talks with CA Technologies / Blazemeter > > to > > > > >>> perhaps > > > > >>> > > > donate the plugin to the ASF? > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation ? > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Why would I do that when you have this plugin available > > under a > > > > >>> > > compatible > > > > >>> > > > license as well as this other one > > > > >>> > > > https://github.com/syucream/jmeter-http2-plugin under > Apache > > > 2.0 > > > > >>> based > > > > >>> > > on > > > > >>> > > > netty? > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > I tested this one, it does not work very well. > > > > >>> > > Looks more like a POC than a stable implementation. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > --emi > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Philippe Mouawad < > > > > >>> > > > philippe.moua...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Hi Emilian, > > > > >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their code to JMeter, > we > > > > cannot > > > > >>> > take > > > > >>> > > it > > > > >>> > > > > as it would be a license infringement at minimum. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regarding HTTP2 there are many options AFAIK: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > - Jetty > > > > >>> > > > > - Netty > > > > >>> > > > > - HC5 > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation ? > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Emilian Bold < > > > > >>> emilian.b...@gmail.com > > > > >>> > <javascript:;>> > > > > >>> > > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Hello, > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > I see we have a HTTP2 plugin > > > > >>> > > > > > https://github.com/Blazemeter/jmeter-bzm-plugins based > > on > > > > the > > > > >>> > Jetty > > > > >>> > > > > HTTP2 > > > > >>> > > > > > support and under an Apache 2.0 license. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Is there any reason JMeter could not bless this > > > > implementation > > > > >>> and > > > > >>> > > > bundle > > > > >>> > > > > > it? > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > --emi > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > -- > > > > >>> > > > > Cordialement. > > > > >>> > > > > Philippe Mouawad. > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > -- > > > > >>> > > Cordialement. > > > > >>> > > Philippe Mouawad. > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Regards > > > > >>> Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com> Team > > > > >>> Follow us on Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Cordialement > > > > >>> L'équipe Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com> > > > > >>> Suivez-nous sur Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Cordialement. > > > > > Philippe Mouawad. > > > > > Ubik-Ingénierie > > > > > > > > > > UBIK LOAD PACK Web Site <http://www.ubikloadpack.com/> > > > > > > > > > > UBIK LOAD PACK on TWITTER <https://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cordialement. > > Philippe Mouawad. > > > -- Cordialement. Philippe Mouawad.
