On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Antonio Gomes Rodrigues <ra0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also think that some plugins should be in JMeter OOTB > > I think about > Plugin manager : https://jmeter-plugins.org/wiki/PluginsManager/ Yes, but where would we host plugins ? Or it would be a customizable URL and possibly we could provide ability to install from local folder. > > http2 : > Better thread group : > https://jmeter-plugins.org/wiki/ConcurrencyThreadGroup/ > I have already asked Andrei wether he would be ready to contribute it, at that time he was not. But maybe we can ask again. Check test plan : https://jmeter-plugins.org/wiki/TestPlanCheckTool/ why not > > > And an easy way to launch test from cloud like in Yameter > Yes. But maybe on this topic, Emilian is doing something :-) > > Antonio > > > 2017-10-03 13:09 GMT+02:00 Philippe Mouawad <philippe.moua...@gmail.com>: > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:02 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 3 October 2017 at 11:55, Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of > > those > > > > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated. > > > > > > > > Just like any dependency. I don't believe it's a rule that > dependencies > > > > have to be binary JARs. A "work" being "included" could mean source > > code, > > > > not just compiled JAR. > > > > > > > >> If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any benefit > > from > > > > it, as it is already a plugin. > > > > > > > > Having something included in JMeter proper would at least guarantee > > some > > > > stability and security wrt the code. > > > > > > > > A 3rd party plugin has no such guarantees. I personally don't like > > > hunting > > > > down plugins for my tools especially when it's not something niche. > > > > > > > > I don't believe JMeter should encourage users to always use plugins; > is > > > > JMeter something usable out of the box or just a platform? > > > > > > > > I would gladly drop JDBC/MongoDB/JMS to have everything HTTP-related > > > > included. > > > > > > I think people are conflating different things here. > > > > > > JMeter does not include implementations of JDBC or JMS - or HTTP 1 for > > > that matter. > > > > > > IMO protocol implementations are outside the scope of JMeter. > > > > > > > Yes, but using protocol clients for Load Testing those protocols is in > > JMeter scope. > > And HTTP2 is clearly one, it cannot be a plugin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 1:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> If the code is available as a plugin then I don't see the need to > > > >> include it in JMeter itself. > > > >> It can be listed on a plugins page on the Wiki. > > > >> > > > >> Remember that code that is added to the JMeter code base adds to the > > > >> ongoing maintenance cost. > > > >> This reduces the time that can be spent on the rest of the JMeter > > code. > > > >> > > > >> On 3 October 2017 at 11:27, Philippe Mouawad > > > >> <p.moua...@ubik-ingenierie.com> wrote: > > > >> > Hi Emilian, > > > >> > Correct me if I am wrong, if we plan to include the code of one of > > > those > > > >> > plugins, I don't see how we could without it being donated. > > > >> > I am not even sure that this project would be willing to donate > it. > > > >> > > > > >> > If we are only including the binaries, then I don't see any > benefit > > > from > > > >> > it, as it is already a plugin. > > > >> > > > > >> > Maybe before going further, we should review the code to see if it > > is > > > >> worth > > > >> > the discussion. > > > >> > > > > >> > Then we can ask Legal team, or feel free to ask. > > > >> > > > > >> > Regards > > > >> > > > > >> > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Emilian Bold < > > emilian.b...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> IP clearance applies to donated code which will have an ASF > license > > > >> header. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> For dependencies and included works this might help: > > > >> >> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a > > > >> >> > > > >> >> FOR THE PURPOSES OF BEING INCLUDED IN AN APACHE PRODUCT, WHICH > > > LICENSES > > > >> >>> ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SIMILAR IN TERMS TO THE APACHE LICENSE 2.0? > > > >> >>> Works under the following licenses may be included within Apache > > > >> products: > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Apache License 2.0 > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Please ask Apache legal because I don't believe there are any > > > >> restrictions. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> --emi > > > >> >> > > > >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, UBIK LOAD PACK Support < > > > >> >> supp...@ubikloadpack.com> wrote: > > > >> >> > > > >> >>> Hello, > > > >> >>> See: > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ip_clearance.html > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> Regards > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017, Antonio Gomes Rodrigues < > > > ra0...@gmail.com > > > >> > > > > >> >>> wrote: > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > Hi, > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > I'm also curious about why we could not integrate apache > > licensed > > > >> code. > > > >> >>> I > > > >> >>> > was thinking we can fork a plugin and integrate it in JMeter. > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Anybody have an idea? > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > Antonio > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > 2017-10-02 21:25 GMT+02:00 Philippe Mouawad < > > > >> philippe.moua...@gmail.com > > > >> >>> > <javascript:;>>: > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Emilian Bold < > > > >> emilian.b...@gmail.com > > > >> >>> > <javascript:;>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > wrote: > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their code to JMeter, > we > > > >> cannot > > > >> >>> > take > > > >> >>> > > it > > > >> >>> > > > as it would be a license infringement at minimum. > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > It's open source under the Apache 2.0 license. The license > > > itself > > > >> >>> > allows > > > >> >>> > > > you to bundle it with JMeter proper. Of course, it won't > be > > > >> owned by > > > >> >>> > the > > > >> >>> > > > ASF but you can have it as a dependency. > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > You could also "fork" it (or "vendor" it) if you want to > add > > > some > > > >> >>> > > patches. > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > AFAIK, we need for this the owner to make a donation as > piece > > of > > > >> code > > > >> >>> is > > > >> >>> > > important. > > > >> >>> > > There is IP clearance process at Apache for that. I doubt > that > > > we > > > >> can > > > >> >>> > take > > > >> >>> > > it as is or fork it, but I'm not an expert in those matters. > > > >> >>> > > Maybe Andrei can tell us more. > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > Have there been any talks with CA Technologies / > Blazemeter > > to > > > >> >>> perhaps > > > >> >>> > > > donate the plugin to the ASF? > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation ? > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > Why would I do that when you have this plugin available > > under > > > a > > > >> >>> > > compatible > > > >> >>> > > > license as well as this other one > > > >> >>> > > > https://github.com/syucream/jmeter-http2-plugin under > > Apache > > > 2.0 > > > >> >>> based > > > >> >>> > > on > > > >> >>> > > > netty? > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > I tested this one, it does not work very well. > > > >> >>> > > Looks more like a POC than a stable implementation. > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > --emi > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Philippe Mouawad < > > > >> >>> > > > philippe.moua...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Hi Emilian, > > > >> >>> > > > > AFAIK, unless the project donates their code to JMeter, > we > > > >> cannot > > > >> >>> > take > > > >> >>> > > it > > > >> >>> > > > > as it would be a license infringement at minimum. > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Regarding HTTP2 there are many options AFAIK: > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > - Jetty > > > >> >>> > > > > - Netty > > > >> >>> > > > > - HC5 > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Would you like to work on its implementation ? > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > Regards > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Emilian Bold < > > > >> >>> emilian.b...@gmail.com > > > >> >>> > <javascript:;>> > > > >> >>> > > > > wrote: > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Hello, > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > I see we have a HTTP2 plugin > > > >> >>> > > > > > https://github.com/Blazemeter/jmeter-bzm-plugins > based > > on > > > >> the > > > >> >>> > Jetty > > > >> >>> > > > > HTTP2 > > > >> >>> > > > > > support and under an Apache 2.0 license. > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > Is there any reason JMeter could not bless this > > > >> implementation > > > >> >>> and > > > >> >>> > > > bundle > > > >> >>> > > > > > it? > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > --emi > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > -- > > > >> >>> > > > > Cordialement. > > > >> >>> > > > > Philippe Mouawad. > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > -- > > > >> >>> > > Cordialement. > > > >> >>> > > Philippe Mouawad. > > > >> >>> > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> -- > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> Regards > > > >> >>> Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com> Team > > > >> >>> Follow us on Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> Cordialement > > > >> >>> L'équipe Ubik Load Pack <http://ubikloadpack.com> > > > >> >>> Suivez-nous sur Twitter <http://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > -- > > > >> > Cordialement. > > > >> > Philippe Mouawad. > > > >> > Ubik-Ingénierie > > > >> > > > > >> > UBIK LOAD PACK Web Site <http://www.ubikloadpack.com/> > > > >> > > > > >> > UBIK LOAD PACK on TWITTER <https://twitter.com/ubikloadpack> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cordialement. > > Philippe Mouawad. > > > -- Cordialement. 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