I will have the same problem with jackson as well ;)

pax-logging-log4j2 has really broad optional imports. probably for the
other formatters that can be plugged.

thats really inconvenient in my case :(

Fabian

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 7:08 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I don't remember why pax-logging-log4j2 has this import.
>
> Let me check where the package could be used.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 17/01/2019 18:42, Fabian Lange wrote:
> > Well, that does look like a wrong dependency in pax-logging-log4j2, doesnt 
> > it?
> > or can a logic for that be found ;)
> >
> > Fabian
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 6:34 PM Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> You don't have to find the source of WTF :)
> >>
> >> pax-logging-log4j2 has: Import-Package:
> >> org.apache.commons.csv;resolution:=optional
> >>
> >> regards
> >> Grzegorz Grzybek
> >>
> >> czw., 17 sty 2019 o 17:07 Fabian Lange <lange.fab...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> see its not a karaf problem.
> >>> Grzegorz gave me really good hints off-list, and it turns out I do
> >>> load a feature which contains this apache commons bundle:
> >>>
> >>> mvn:org.apache.commons/commons-csv/1.5
> >>>
> >>> after I remove this bundle, the logging classes are no longer loaded 
> >>> twice.
> >>> Now the next step is to find out WTF, but I leave that for another day
> >>>
> >>> Fabian
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 3:49 PM Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello
> >>>>
> >>>> I suggest checking jansi - you have SL=8 for jansi bundle and SL=7 for
> >>>> pax-logging-log4j2.
> >>>>
> >>>> pax-logging-log4j has optional import for org.fusesource.jansi - and this
> >>>> may be the cause of refresh.
> >>>>
> >>>> In my custom distro, my etc/startup.properties has:
> >>>>
> >>>> mvn\:org.fusesource.jansi/jansi/1.17 = 8
> >>>> mvn\:org.ops4j.pax.logging/pax-logging-api/1.10.1 = 8
> >>>> mvn\:org.ops4j.pax.logging/pax-logging-log4j2/1.10.1 = 8
> >>>>
> >>>> So I've already ensured that jansi starts/resolves before
> >>>> pax-logging-log4j2.
> >>>>
> >>>> I hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> regards
> >>>> Grzegorz Grzybek
> >>>>
> >>>> czw., 17 sty 2019 o 15:15 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net>
> >>> napisał(a):
> >>>>
> >>>>> Not a problem, Jira should be used when we "suspect" something. I think
> >>>>> it's good for the tracking and also for the history of faced problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just my €0.01 ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> JB
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 17/01/2019 15:12, Fabian Lange wrote:
> >>>>>> I already feel bad for asking such wide questions here. I usually
> >>> only
> >>>>>> file tickets once I kind-of know whats going on.
> >>>>>> Could be a Felix or SCR issue as well ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fabian
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 3:10 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> >>> j...@nanthrax.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Fabian,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> did you create a Jira about that ? It's for the tracking as I'm
> >>>>>>> preparing Karaf 4.2.3 ;)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks !
> >>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>> JB
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 17/01/2019 15:08, Fabian Lange wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Quick update, this apparently is still the case with Karaf 4.2.2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Would appreciate if somebody knows a workaround. I am able to play
> >>>>>>>> around with startlevels, but I cant seem to avoid this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fabian
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 1:21 AM Fabian Lange <
> >>> lange.fab...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>> currently debugging an issue. Maybe the bits I came up so far are
> >>>>>>>>> already sufficient for you guys to fix it, or you help me how to
> >>> debug
> >>>>>>>>> this better.
> >>>>>>>>> In our distribution, we have these features
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   0 │ Active   │   0 │ 5.6.10       │ System Bundle, Fragments: 1
> >>>>>>>>>   1 │ Resolved │   1 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Features ::
> >>>>>>>>> Extension, Hosts: 0
> >>>>>>>>>   2 │ Active   │   5 │ 2.5.4        │ OPS4J Pax Url - aether:
> >>>>>>>>>   3 │ Active   │   7 │ 1.10.1       │ OPS4J Pax Logging - Log4j v2
> >>>>>>>>>   4 │ Active   │   7 │ 1.10.1       │ OPS4J Pax Logging - API
> >>>>>>>>>   5 │ Active   │   8 │ 1.17.1       │ jansi
> >>>>>>>>>   6 │ Active   │   9 │ 1.0.2        │ Apache Felix Coordinator
> >>> Service
> >>>>>>>>>   7 │ Active   │  10 │ 1.9.4        │ Apache Felix Configuration
> >>>>> Admin Service
> >>>>>>>>>   8 │ Active   │  11 │ 3.6.4        │ Apache Felix File Install
> >>>>>>>>>   9 │ Active   │  15 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Features ::
> >>> Core
> >>>>>>>>>  10 │ Active   │  20 │ 2.2.11.1     │ Apache ServiceMix ::
> >>> Bundles ::
> >>>>> jaxb-impl
> >>>>>>>>>  11 │ Active   │  30 │ 1.2.0        │ Apache Felix Metatype
> >>> Service
> >>>>>>>>>  12 │ Active   │  30 │ 2.1.2        │ Apache Felix Declarative
> >>>>> Services
> >>>>>>>>>  13 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Bundle ::
> >>> Core
> >>>>>>>>>  14 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: ConfigAdmin
> >>> ::
> >>>>> Core
> >>>>>>>>>  15 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Features ::
> >>>>> Command
> >>>>>>>>>  16 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Log :: Core
> >>>>>>>>>  17 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: SCR ::
> >>> Bundle
> >>>>> State
> >>>>>>>>>  18 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Service ::
> >>> Core
> >>>>>>>>>  19 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Shell ::
> >>>>> Various Commands
> >>>>>>>>>  20 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Shell ::
> >>> Core
> >>>>>>>>>  21 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: System ::
> >>> Core
> >>>>>>>>>  22 │ Active   │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine Builtins
> >>>>>>>>>  23 │ Active   │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine Reader
> >>>>>>>>>  24 │ Active   │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine Terminal, Fragments:
> >>> 25
> >>>>>>>>>  25 │ Resolved │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine JANSI Terminal,
> >>> Hosts: 24
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What I noticed is that A LOT of apache LOG4J classes are loaded
> >>> twice
> >>>>>>>>> in the JVM.
> >>>>>>>>> I turned on -verbose:class and saw this snippet:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [5.580s][info][class,load]
> >>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.scr.impl.logger.StdOutLogger source:
> >>>>>>>>> jar:bundle://12.0:0/!/
> >>>>>>>>> [5.626s][info][class,load]
> >>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.util.ImmutableMap$1 source:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> file:/Users/fabian/work/karaf-dist/system/org/apache/felix/org.apache.felix.framework/5.6.10/org.apache.felix.framework-5.6.10.jar
> >>>>>>>>> [5.834s][info][class,load]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> org.apache.karaf.features.internal.service.BundleInstallSupportImpl$$Lambda$412/0x00000007fecd0c40
> >>>>>>>>> source:
> >>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.internal.service.BundleInstallSupportImpl
> >>>>>>>>> [5.834s][info][class,load]
> >>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.Felix$RefreshHelper source:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> file:/Users/fabian/work/karaf-dist/system/org/apache/felix/org.apache.felix.framework/5.6.10/org.apache.felix.framework-5.6.10.jar
> >>>>>>>>> [5.970s][info][class,load]
> >>>>>>>>> org.ops4j.pax.logging.log4j2.internal.Activator source:
> >>>>>>>>> jar:bundle://3.0:0/!/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So here is my suspicion: Whatever SCR does, it causes the Log4j2
> >>>>>>>>> bundle to reload all classes and activate again. This leads to all
> >>>>>>>>> bundles before the SCR to reference the first loaded log4j
> >>> classes,
> >>>>>>>>> and all afterwards the refreshed bundle.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Can we prevent this somehow? Also curiously SCR uses its
> >>> StdOutLogger,
> >>>>>>>>> which it shouldnt do.
> >>>>>>>>> Is this reload caused by the Service Tracker
> >>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.scr.impl.logger.LogServiceEnabledLogger uses?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ideas, suggestions how to prevent this refresh? I played with the
> >>> load
> >>>>>>>>> order but it does not seem possible to get it right
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Fabian
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >>>>>>> jbono...@apache.org
> >>>>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >>>>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >>>>> jbono...@apache.org
> >>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> >>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
> >>>>>
> >>>
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbono...@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com

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