Not a problem, Jira should be used when we "suspect" something. I think
it's good for the tracking and also for the history of faced problems.

Just my €0.01 ;)

Regards
JB

On 17/01/2019 15:12, Fabian Lange wrote:
> I already feel bad for asking such wide questions here. I usually only
> file tickets once I kind-of know whats going on.
> Could be a Felix or SCR issue as well ;)
> 
> Fabian
> 
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 3:10 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Fabian,
>>
>> did you create a Jira about that ? It's for the tracking as I'm
>> preparing Karaf 4.2.3 ;)
>>
>> Thanks !
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 17/01/2019 15:08, Fabian Lange wrote:
>>> Quick update, this apparently is still the case with Karaf 4.2.2
>>>
>>> Would appreciate if somebody knows a workaround. I am able to play
>>> around with startlevels, but I cant seem to avoid this.
>>>
>>> Fabian
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 1:21 AM Fabian Lange <lange.fab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> currently debugging an issue. Maybe the bits I came up so far are
>>>> already sufficient for you guys to fix it, or you help me how to debug
>>>> this better.
>>>> In our distribution, we have these features
>>>>
>>>>   0 │ Active   │   0 │ 5.6.10       │ System Bundle, Fragments: 1
>>>>   1 │ Resolved │   1 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Features ::
>>>> Extension, Hosts: 0
>>>>   2 │ Active   │   5 │ 2.5.4        │ OPS4J Pax Url - aether:
>>>>   3 │ Active   │   7 │ 1.10.1       │ OPS4J Pax Logging - Log4j v2
>>>>   4 │ Active   │   7 │ 1.10.1       │ OPS4J Pax Logging - API
>>>>   5 │ Active   │   8 │ 1.17.1       │ jansi
>>>>   6 │ Active   │   9 │ 1.0.2        │ Apache Felix Coordinator Service
>>>>   7 │ Active   │  10 │ 1.9.4        │ Apache Felix Configuration Admin 
>>>> Service
>>>>   8 │ Active   │  11 │ 3.6.4        │ Apache Felix File Install
>>>>   9 │ Active   │  15 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Features :: Core
>>>>  10 │ Active   │  20 │ 2.2.11.1     │ Apache ServiceMix :: Bundles :: 
>>>> jaxb-impl
>>>>  11 │ Active   │  30 │ 1.2.0        │ Apache Felix Metatype Service
>>>>  12 │ Active   │  30 │ 2.1.2        │ Apache Felix Declarative Services
>>>>  13 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Bundle :: Core
>>>>  14 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: ConfigAdmin :: Core
>>>>  15 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Features :: Command
>>>>  16 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Log :: Core
>>>>  17 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: SCR :: Bundle State
>>>>  18 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Service :: Core
>>>>  19 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Shell :: Various 
>>>> Commands
>>>>  20 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: Shell :: Core
>>>>  21 │ Active   │  30 │ 4.2.1        │ Apache Karaf :: System :: Core
>>>>  22 │ Active   │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine Builtins
>>>>  23 │ Active   │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine Reader
>>>>  24 │ Active   │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine Terminal, Fragments: 25
>>>>  25 │ Resolved │  30 │ 3.9.0        │ JLine JANSI Terminal, Hosts: 24
>>>>
>>>> What I noticed is that A LOT of apache LOG4J classes are loaded twice
>>>> in the JVM.
>>>> I turned on -verbose:class and saw this snippet:
>>>>
>>>> [5.580s][info][class,load]
>>>> org.apache.felix.scr.impl.logger.StdOutLogger source:
>>>> jar:bundle://12.0:0/!/
>>>> [5.626s][info][class,load]
>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.util.ImmutableMap$1 source:
>>>> file:/Users/fabian/work/karaf-dist/system/org/apache/felix/org.apache.felix.framework/5.6.10/org.apache.felix.framework-5.6.10.jar
>>>> [5.834s][info][class,load]
>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.internal.service.BundleInstallSupportImpl$$Lambda$412/0x00000007fecd0c40
>>>> source: org.apache.karaf.features.internal.service.BundleInstallSupportImpl
>>>> [5.834s][info][class,load]
>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.Felix$RefreshHelper source:
>>>> file:/Users/fabian/work/karaf-dist/system/org/apache/felix/org.apache.felix.framework/5.6.10/org.apache.felix.framework-5.6.10.jar
>>>> [5.970s][info][class,load]
>>>> org.ops4j.pax.logging.log4j2.internal.Activator source:
>>>> jar:bundle://3.0:0/!/
>>>>
>>>> So here is my suspicion: Whatever SCR does, it causes the Log4j2
>>>> bundle to reload all classes and activate again. This leads to all
>>>> bundles before the SCR to reference the first loaded log4j classes,
>>>> and all afterwards the refreshed bundle.
>>>>
>>>> Can we prevent this somehow? Also curiously SCR uses its StdOutLogger,
>>>> which it shouldnt do.
>>>> Is this reload caused by the Service Tracker
>>>> org.apache.felix.scr.impl.logger.LogServiceEnabledLogger uses?
>>>>
>>>> Ideas, suggestions how to prevent this refresh? I played with the load
>>>> order but it does not seem possible to get it right
>>>>
>>>> Fabian
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbono...@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com

-- 
Jean-Baptiste Onofré
jbono...@apache.org
http://blog.nanthrax.net
Talend - http://www.talend.com

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