Hi Marcus,

thanks for your work! :) I have a few notes though. Or basically, maybe
it's just one note.

How visible will those builds be? I think we've agreed that they should
be visible, and I'm not so sure hiding them behind Download -> Get More
Platforms and Languages -> Developer Snapshots -> Fourth Link  makes
them visible.

I would propose to merge the two pages you created with main
http://download.openoffice.org/other.html and
http://download.openoffice.org/langpack.html respectively.

Untested builds could be listed in the same table as tested builds, or
in a new one. In case of former, the resulting download table could look
something like this:

Korean  ???     3.1.1   Download
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=win&lang=ko&version=3.1.1>
        Download
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxintel&lang=ko&version=3.1.1>
        Download
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxinteldeb&lang=ko&version=3.1.1>
        Untested (3.1.1)        Untested (3.1.1)        Untested (3.1.1)        
Untested
(3.1.1)         Tested 3.1.0
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=macosxintel&lang=ko&version=3.1.0>
Untested (3.1.1)
        Untested (3.1.1)        Download
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=solarisx86&lang=ko&version=3.1.1>
        Untested (3.1.1)
Kurdish         KurdĂ®   3.1.0   Tested (3.1.0)
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=win&lang=ku&version=3.1.0>
Untested (3.1.1)
        Untested (3.1.1)
        Untested (3.1.1)
        Untested (3.1.1)        Untested (3.1.1)        Untested (3.1.1)        
Untested
(3.1.1)         Untested (3.1.1)        Untested (3.1.1)        Untested 
(3.1.1)        Untested
(3.1.1)
Lithuanian      Lietuviu;       3.1.1   Download
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=winwjre&lang=lt&version=3.1.1>
        Tested (3.1.0)
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxintel&lang=lt&version=3.1.0>
Untested (3.1.1)
        Tested (3.1.0)
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxinteldeb&lang=lt&version=3.1.0>
Untested (3.1.1)
        Tested (3.1.0)
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxx86-64&lang=lt&version=3.1.0>
Untested (3.1.1)
        Download
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxx86-64deb&lang=lt&version=3.1.1>
        Untested (3.1.1)        Untested (3.1.1)        Download
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=macosxintel&lang=lt&version=3.1.1>
        Tested (3.0.1)
<http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=macosxppc&lang=lt&version=3.0.1>
Untested (3.1.1)
        Untested (3.1.1)        Untested (3.1.1)


All "Untested" items here should of course be linked. Expanding the
table like that would obviously make it taller. In order not to clutter
it, there could be a checkbox/button on the page which (un)hides
untested builds.

Thinking further, I think language pack downloads could also be
integrated into the same page in a similar fashion (they could be listed
in a separate hideable table, or in the same one). This should help the
users save a few clicks, or at least a few redirects.

Regards,

Rimas

2009.11.02 13:07, Marcus Lange ras(e.:
> Hi all,
>
> as promised I thought about a new structure and have created the
> following websites to ease the download of RC builds:
>
> http://download.openoffice.org/next/other_rc.html
> http://download.openoffice.org/next/langpack_rc.html
>
> Please have a look if the names of the languages are correct. It's not
> easy to find the correct wording for so many, so please bear with me. ;-)
>
> Keep in mind that this is just a test to show you how it could look
> like. It's not yet the final version (e.g., all builds that are
> already released have to be deleted from here, of course).
>
> Once we have a final state I would update the index page
> (http://download.openoffice.org/next), so that both new websites can
> be found via links and make some announcements.
>
> Please tell me what you think about this.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best regards
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Marcus Lange wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think I haven't taken into account the many differences with
>> builds, testing and NL communities. So, I'm sorry if anyone feels
>> offend. This was not my intension or to ignore the situation.
>>
>> I'll think about what could be done to provide the builds to the
>> users (tested or not, released or not). Because it's a very high
>> number this will be not easy. And take into account that someone has
>> to maintain this monster of list (7 platforms with 90+ languages). ;-)
>>
>> Just wanted to take the chance to answer here early before my absence
>> the next week. Therefore please don't expect to have a fast solution.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> Ankit Patel wrote:
>>> +1 to the discussion.
>>>
>>> Having a download page for all localized OpenOffice.org language
>>> packs where two different categories, one for "supported & tested"
>>> versions of language packs and another for "beta & untested though
>>> translated" versions of language packs, listed would solve the
>>> matter I believe.
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 17/10/09, Mechtilde <o...@mechtilde.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Mechtilde <o...@mechtilde.de>
>>>> Subject: Re: [l10n-dev] New home for downloading language packs
>>>> To: dev@l10n.openoffice.org
>>>> Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2009, 1:44 PM
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Martin Srebotnjak schrieb:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, just out of my curiosity, can you list recent
>>>> examples when a
>>>>> fully localized national sdf with gsicheck passed
>>>> successfully (no
>>>>> errors nor warnings) did not work as expected (like
>>>> crashed etc.)?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we have
>>>>
>>>> E.g. the Polish Win version didn't start after installing.
>>>>
>>>> The goal of the NL version tests should be that it is
>>>> usable for the
>>>> normal user and didn't have severe bugs which are not in
>>>> the EN version.
>>>>
>>>> It is not the goal that the NL version has to be better
>>>> than the EN version.
>>>>> Finally - as these tests are already automatic in many
>>>> ways - could
>>>>> not this process be automatized even further, so that
>>>> with any RC
>>>>> build the tests would be made automatically by OOo
>>>> servers for all
>>>>> available languages and the teams should only go
>>>> through visual
>>>>> (screenshots) and text results neatly organized and
>>>> published on the
>>>>> website (like a 3-5 minute job) and vote either YES or
>>>> NO at the end?
>>>>> The only prerequisite for teams would be to fully
>>>> localize the tests
>>>>> (another po file in the tree and in Pootle) used by
>>>> this system.
>>>>
>>>> The automatic tests cannot provide you for such things like
>>>> described
>>>> above. But they can easy detect by some manual tests
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Mechtilde
>
>
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