El jue, 02-02-2006 a las 21:54 +0100, Michael Wechner escribió: > Thorsten Scherler wrote: > > > > > > >What I wonder the whole time is, what do you mean by retire? I > >understand under this to devote their status to "Inactive (or former > >WyonaCMS) committers", right? > > > > > yes: http://lenya.apache.org/community/acknowledgements.html
ok What happened to: El mar, 31-01-2006 a las 10:56 +0100, Michael Wechner escribió: > > Everyone who is trying to do her job in > >the CoPDoC areas from lenya is an active committer, some more active > >then others, but even the smallest thing is helping the lenya > project. > > > > agreed What about people that are maybe not able to do a release or are here just because they love working in open source projects and helping people (in Spanish they say "por amor al deporte" ~ "for the fun of the game"), writing documentation like hell and supporting our mailing lists and doing what they can, to help the Apache Lenya project? Why should this people have to do a release (or else devoted)? Why suddenly meritocracy (the principal the ASF is based on) is not enough for this project anymore? Why do you think Henry Ford invented the assembly line? Certainly in a community they have to be rules but they have to take individual differences into account and use the strength of this different individuals. We certainly cannot waste the few committer resources we have or scare them away. We have IMO a far too small and too homogeneous committer base. Anyway, since your recommended rule has gotten three -1 binding votes from PMC members, we do not need to discuss about it anymore here in Apache Lenya. > > > >The proof are our PMC Chairs. Both have been RM before becoming Chair. > >So as well committers recognize this. > > > > > > why do people want to become PMC chair? There are, I guess, millions of different motives for an individual, but university studies pointing normally "recognition" as one of the main motives out. Lets see the two opposite poles of it: The idealist, doing it for immaterial rewards. Since I am quite active in Forrest, I would say our current PMC Chair, David Crossley, is such a type. He is a mentor that just seems to love helping other people. In forrest our current version is 0.8-dev, meaning that we are still not fully stable. The whole forrest community is very different from this one, it is a very divers bunch of people. There is beside Ross nearly no one that is offering commercial support for forrest. The man of business, doing it for material rewards (marketing sells). Antonio gave an example in his answer talking about the cocoon community (I suppose). You snipped it, so I just paste it again to easier recall (replace Release Manager with PMC Chair). El mar, 31-01-2006 a las 23:48 -0600, Antonio Gallardo escribió: > What I saw in few years working in open source projects: > Release manager is very important. The RMs get fast and high people > recognition. Users often note the name of the person releasing the > code. > They are often looking for the person, who sent the release note. > Hence, > the users think the release manager is one of the most important > committers in a project. That means recognition and the recognition > is > often the incentive. He becomes a hot spot ... > > > > >Thanks for sharing it. > > > >Another one: > >We should ask http://www.canonical.com/ to sponsor our releases like > >they do with http://www.ubuntu.com/ > >"Ubuntu comes with full commercial support from hundreds of companies > >around the world. Ubuntu is released regularly and predictably; a new > >release is made every six months. Each release is supported with free > >security updates and fixes for at least 18 months." > > > >wdyt? > > > > > > where do you see the relationship between canonical and > Apache Lenya? Did I say I see a relationship? Certainly NOT!!! I said canonical is sponsoring open source projects and maybe they are interested in sponsoring our regular releases. Assuming that you as the CEO of Wyona Inc. and main commercial supporter for Apache Lenya, would have spoken up, if you like or plan to offer this sponsoring for guaranteed releases after x month. This would be IMHO the most logical thing for Wyona but that is just my *personal* opinion (sharing Antonios thoughts about the visibility factor of releasing and knowing as well a wee bit about open source projects and businesses). Anyway I know that money is not growing on trees and business in the commercial open source world is hard which leaded me to the assumption that Wyona is not interested/able. You and I may meet Mark Shuttleworth [1], the owner of Canonical, (a millionaire which got famous for going on the moon with the Russians as first African in space) at the II Open Source World Conference in Malaga, Spain, on the 15th-17th of February http://www.opensourceworldconference.com/malaga06/en/modules/wiwimod/. I worked for the Junta de Andalucía (the organizer of the conference) and a friend of mine is working with Mark and canonical Ltd. in releasing Linux versions for Andalucía. http://www.guadalinex.org Maybe he would like to sponsor releases and include a lenya package in ubuntu (the OS I use beside guadalinex and on which it is based on). :) Hey, like I said the guy is a millionaire and sponsors many projects http://www.canonical.com/projects so why not ours? At least that would take away the "Sword of Damocles" [2] from this community. [1] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ [2] http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2549/damocles.html salu2 -- thorsten "Together we stand, divided we fall!" Hey you (Pink Floyd) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
