Hey Stephen et al, So I am the MM guy here... But I am not really sure what you would like us to say. So these are my thoughts, not those of the company I work for.
CF represents MMs third largest product and we sink hundreds of hours speaking to User groups, speaking to developers and customers. There are many on this list that know that I am basicly at every MMUG and CFUG that I can get to (I am currently in SF on holiday, in a park and still reading this list - gotta love wireless) I am reminded of a phrase, we help those who help themselves. I traveled to the largest usergroup meeting that the northern usergroup had. It was 20 people. Not really compelling for MM to pay the train fair for that. MM's partner team are more than happy to come to almost any end user meeting that you care to have (as long as you can show that there will be revenue) and help you pitch CF And as for the comment about CF evangelists, I guess that is what I am... That is what my card says anyway... L. -- Lucas Sherwood Evangelist - Server Products Macromedia EMEA -----Original Message----- From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK OK, so far we sound as though we agreed, CF in the UK could be and should be better supported, but how can we make MM aware of this. No one from MM has replied to this list. Should we post of CF-talk list or in the Macromedia Forums. It would be nice to get an official response from someone in MM. Stephen Adams Web Developer/Information Sharing Community Partnerships -----Original Message----- From: Steve Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 12:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Steve Powell Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK I've implemented ColdFusion systems at a number of fairly big names. Like others here I've encountered resistence because finding CF developers isn't straight forward (it isn't something our Project Managers have heard of) they also like to know that there are other companies out there using it, a kind of safety in numbers thing. I've often had to compile lists of comapnies that use it and also demonstrate that there are enough CF dvelopers available to cover their needs once we've left. I think the usage of CF is grossly under-reported. I've seen quite a few installations at places that you wouldn't immediately think of as well as knowing about a number of Intranet apps that aren't exactly visible. All of this would benefit from a higher profile and generally greater awareness. MM in the UK provide precious little support outside of CFUGUK and not that much for CFUKUG. MM UK have had a poor reputation for years, you should have tried getting support out of them for Director (their flagship product) 5 years ago. Almost everything gets referred to the US as the guys here are all sales and not much else. What the solution to this is though I have no idea. Steve -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
