i wouldn't necessarily agree, but perhaps if i paraphrase your comments:
since Microsoft already have the dominent place in the market their products/languages are percieved to be more professional etc by non technical users, especially decision makers.
| Mark Smyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14/04/2004 13:45
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To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK |
The main gripe seems to be that Macromedia are not marketing themselves or
their products well enough.
Microsoft present a better corporate image simply because they spend more
money on marketing. Surely its as simple as that?
Surely the situation is that since Microsoft already have the dominent place
in the market (and the financial rewards that come with it), that they can
throw enormous resources into marketing.
Whereas a company of macromedia's stature cannot....
Hence their products/languages are percieved to be more professional etc by
non technical users, especially decision makers.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 April 2004 10:12
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
What is it exactly that Microsoft do and MM don't?
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "stephen RAdams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
I agree, I am seriously thinking of looking into either using JSP or ASP.Net
(with C#), why?, because the job market is better there. I know there are a
lot of people who hate Microsoft, but they do support and promote their
products really well within this country. MM don't which is a great shame.
Stephen Adams
Web Developer/Information Sharing
Community Partnerships
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 April 2004 10:45
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
I think that was well put, and I think that relates to my situation. I left
the CF career and went into software development using C#, Delphi and VB6.
Any web development I have done in this current role was in ASP and PHP
respectively.
- Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 14 April 2004 10:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
The most indicative analysis you can make is based on the number of jobs
that are currently being advertised on websites like jobserve.com: 44 CF
jobs 12 contract 395 ASP.Net Jobs 82 contract 523 JSP jobs 156 contract 137
PHP 31 contract 123 Flash 56 contract 1245 J2ee 356 contract 16 ActionScript
8 Contract
You can then analyse the type of jobs coming up on freelancers.net and
getafreelancer.com (more of a outsource to India) and you will see a major
disposition towards ASP and PHP (primarily PHP).
You then have to ask yourself where you want to work. I am personally trying
the teleworking route.
I currently have my head buried in mach-ii (personal choice), asp.net using
VB, Flash for Server Geeks and am seriously thinking of PHP as well.
What I need now is a time machine :)
So back to your original question, CF is not so much dead as on it's last
legs as a 'career' move. As a development platform it is brilliant. What
will happen is that employers will decide on CF then try and find people,
fail within the job market and switch technologies BUUUUT it also depends on
what you want as a career.
Adam
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 14 April 2004 10:05
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
>
>
> What do people think of the state of ColdFusion in the UK? I
personally
> think that it's a bit poorly supported and promoted by Macromedia. I
> mean we have a very few user groups (which I am not knocking), but I
> think Macromedia could do more to promote ColdFusion as a product to
> both developers (by supporting further the User Groups) and to
> organisations so that the market for CF is bigger in the UK.
>
> Who's using CF in the UK, where is it going, do Macromedia have a plan
> how to support and promote in the UK. It would be nice to know what
they
> are doing so we as developers could see how we could help.
>
> What do other UK based developers think? How could we help better
> promote CF in the UK?
>
> Stephen Adams
> Web Developer/Information Sharing
> Community Partnerships
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