Hi everybody,
Just a note. I'll get back to productive things.
I sincerely apologize to all the list members who did not wanted to
receive more fights in their inboxes. I really think this discussion
should not be held on this list. This list is supposed to be ONLY for
working.
PROPOSAL to John:
I know there is a list called [EMAIL PROTECTED] and one called [EMAIL PROTECTED]
but some members willing to debate only about marketing consider those
as not being suitable for internal marketing debates.
Therefore my proposals:
1. Either we create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and
enforce that all non-productive threads should be directed there.
2. Or we enforce that this kind of threads be directed to the existing
social or discuss. But we have the responsibility of preserving the
inbox space of our subscribers and also let them catch up with effective
working things.
Let's do something about it now. And lets enforce this. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
should mean only forward movement, cooperation, etc. Not useless fights.
Thousand apologies again to all of you listening.
:(
Best,
Cristian
Steven Pauwels wrote:
Cristian Driga schreef:
Steven Pauwels wrote:
I am happy to see that all of you consider yourselves professionals
in netiquette and working in a FOSS project.
Well, I invite you to find the threads where I broke the nettiquette.
You are talking it personally, inspite of the fact that I aim at no
person. Sorry you do so.
None of you even react to the fact that I am talking about
profesiionalism in marketing.
Well, I am for one interested and what is next to do. If you noticed
this is the purpose of this list. "dev" comes from development.
Reacting the way you do is only a demagogue cry to suppress criticism.
OK. Continue your way. The success in open source projects is at hand
this way :)
Cristian Driga schreef:
<snip>
I totally agree with Chad and I am outraged by the lack of
politeness, respect and lack of real interest of helping out and
doing real work that Steven has shown. No attempt to first
understand the written and non-written rules of this project at all.
Most off you have shown disrespect for these rules in prior posts.
Most of me ? :)
Again. If you want to take words out of a sentence and react to it. Most
of you is not a singular form to my knowledge.
Anyway... find please in all past 4 year of participation on the lists
the places where _I_'ve been disrespectfull regarding the rules and
where I've been counter-productive or disrupting constructive threads.
Please.
Personally...
More: In all the postings I saw there was one single main idea:
Steven is the best marketing specialist ever and we are nothing and
we do not want to listen to him.
What are you affraid of? These are your words, not mine. I have only
said what experience I have and that I want to contribute. Read the
art list. Some people actually appreciate experience and are not
affraid of it..
Many people come here telling what expertise they have. It is the
normal way of introducing themselves.
And I believe it is normal that wehen you volunteer you teel what you
can do because you expect some reaction and maybe a coordinated effort
to help new volunteers to get started. The opposite happened here.
We got that, and I was even happier when you started that page in the
wiki.
It took me 2-3 months before I understood how things work when I joined
and then I started participating. And it passed another 2-3 months
before what I did started to show results. As nobody here is full time
employee you should expect lack of response even to good ideas and you
should continue untill they get roots and flourish. This is something
you seem not to understand in an open source project.
I know the art list, I created it and the art project together with
other members willing to work and help. And I follow that list when I
have the chance as my daily work overwhelmes me.
Your posts there prove that when you want you can really help and
cooperate.
No, they prove that some people actually value experience and use it. it
actually helps.
No wish to collaborate,no nettiquette, ignoring calls for reasoning
and understanding each other, not to mention ignoring other members
who try to offer advice in continuing to build up on great ideas he
has spoke about.
These are no more then low aimed accusations.
Well ? I can attach here also the direct emails I sent to you on
starting cooperating on marketing
I have not received any direct emails from you. Not one.
and in the wiki and I can link to threads I've started attempting to
communicate with you in the last 3 weeks and to which I did not
received any response.
Ok. Please do so.
(See for example the *lack of response to invitation to discuss
seriously on this thread* [Uniform message and look [WAS Re: Vote
about official OpenOffice.org OEM label]])
I believe I have done the same previeously on many threads I started
and can you shopw me one where that was respected?
I do not get it. The last two or three weeks since we've started the
wiki in an attempt to solve the lack of interactive tools problem, the
project is in changing.
Too long in the last year there were persons here only breaking the
basic rules and right now we were in anoter phase, of getting back to
constructive discussions. This untill you started again yesterday to
do these disrespectfull interventions in the list.
The very disrespectfulle intervention on the list by John on the efforts
of the art project will have my reaction every time he repeats that.
I've had discussions and arguments and questions on how to work in the
art list and these bare fruit. Unlike most here.
I am well aware that there might be serious reasons for Jacqueline
not to be around lately but she will be back on the list asap. But
taking advantage of this and starting riots is something we do not
need.
Firstly, I do not know of here whereabouts, Secondly, I can only
start a riot if there is follow up. Are you affraid there is?
I *perfectly know* that her real life keeps her right now away from
Internet. This is why you did not see any response from her. NOT
BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORED.
Stop Shouting that I am ignored. This is not the case and you should not
make it the case. I am not looking for attention here. Spare me any
psychological analysis. please.
If you believe that very well. The idea is that we, the other members
are here and know her better than you and we know one thing, that even
when the lead is away, we have to continue here.
Yes you do.
MORE: the reaction of deleting your own page in the wiki because, I
suppose you did not get a sign from the leads,
Completely wrong. I do not need a sign frfom leads. I need them to
take responsability and actually manage marketing for OOo.
Would you be happy that because of personal problems you were not
around and someone else would decide that you are not a professional
because you do not respond to emails ? You have to show more Steven
before you are recognized. This is meritocracy. Not like in firms,
here you have to prove yourself in a longer period of time over
various problems that the project is confronting. And this is only way
of advancing here.
I am not the only person that feels and thinks this way about OOo
marketing.
is that of an immature person.
So If I wish not to contribute anymore, I cannnto decide on what
happens with what I contributed?
Once you decided to make public an information on an open source
website you are supposed to be aware that you donated that information
and you cannot decide to take it back.
You know it is on a wiki and stay's there, even if I decide to delete it.
<snip>
I have no disrecpect for persons, but do not agree with the way
things are done. Shure is a different thing.
You got it all wrong. You got here in a wrong period of time when
phisically some of the key members are away. This is why patience is
the best approach.Your actions have been disrespectfull to me as a
member willing only to see things getting done and willing to help new
contributors getting started.
This is one of the things I keep saying. New contributors give up
because of burocracy and lack of presence of any lead or coordination.
And even though you say that it is temprarely, others say this has been
the case for a long period and nothing is heard when anyone says
anything about it.
Steven
<snip>
Steven P.
Cristian
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