Hi Kaz,
I hope you are not discouraged because of the discussion that just came
up. I'm glad you contributed to the project, and I really value your
contribution, so please don't mistake this discussion as a criticism to
your work.
It's great to see things going on and people contributing to the project!
KAZUHIRO TERADA wrote on 2010-06-21 13.01:
What I did for this work is ...
Work Detail : Designing and coding for the JA toppage / Translation
and coding for each apps summary
Work Time : 6 man-days - about 48 hours
This really sounds like a lot of work, so thanks again for your great
contribution, that you can be proud of!
Firstly the average of quotation (man-day) may depend on each country
or individual, but according to your discussion the point is not my
quotation. It's a guideline of the bounty or precedences on this
project, and whether my work is based on it or not. The guideline
should be clarified for all countries and cases.
Indeed. It's not about the money itself, but about the guidelines when
we spend money. Lots of projects only take place because of a lot of
volunteer work. Looking at current OOoCon, I guess Peter has already
spent some weeks (!) on OOoCon, voluntarily. If we pay someone for their
work time, we need to do it equally, fair and transparent, but we would
have so many valid requests, that we cannot fulfill.
I'm all for covering people's expenses, but paying for actual work time
is a real challenge, and should occur in only real rare cases.
I also agree that the amount you receive per hour differs a lot from
country to country. I can only take "my" experiences into account, but
that might be totally different for other countries.
Secondly each country is trying to solve many issues specially human
resources. Nakata-san is the JA project leader, so he always try to
figure the issue out like other project leaders do. This request is
not only for me but also other JA project members to motivate and step
forward.
Sure, some compensation will be an encouragement and can help in
attracting more people. But again, I see that this would be an unfair
process. What about all those other folks who contributed a lot over the
past years? People who work a few hours per day, every day, every week?
We then would also have to compensate them. Without engagement at
OOoCon, OOoCon would not take place. Without engagement in the marketing
project, marketing would not take place. Etc. Most of the time, it
depends on a few people, but even those few we cannot pay, it's just not
possible.
Don't get me wrong, I'd really love to have a good compensation, but for
that, our budget is too low, so we should spend it wisely on expenses.
Thirdly how can we collaborate among countries? If each country covers
each budget, What is the bounty internationally? Is it only for
expenses? DONATION by PayPal is a good choice, and Introducing human
resources across the border is a good idea too.
I think each country handles that differently. For Germany, we have one
German-only nonprofit, same is for France, and I guess for Brazil as
well. In addition, there is TeamOpenOffice.org e.V., with the
international/global project budget.
The national nonprofits are quite free in how to spend their money, as
long as they follow some basic rules (they are collecting money in the
name of OpenOffice.org, after all). For the project, we have rules that
we need to follow.
So, if there was a nonprofit in Japan that covered all your costs, I
wouldn't object - that's basically a matter of what the local nonprofits
do. For the project, we have to see the global scope and be fair and
transparent to everyone.
Please don't misunderstand. The reason why I joined in the project is
not for money. I love OOo and fully enjoy the benefits of OOo, so I
wanna do something for the project. On the other hand systems to
motivate project members are needed. How should we do?
Sorry, this is just my impression, and I have no specific solution
right now. I would love to discuss this issue and have to consider our
organization both nationally and internationally.
Again, I'm very sorry that you are the one who did the work, and then
discussions arose. I really value and respect your engagement, but I
hope you see where my concerns are, where the problems lie.
Given the community feedback, and the opinion of the budget holders and
authorizers, I am sorry that we have to reject the request.
I really hope this does not discourage you from future contributions. We
depend on volunteer work, and we try to use our ressources the best way
possible. However, in some cases, we might not satisfy everyone.
Florian
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