There are many good reasons to have any discussion as proposed by the 
TDF—Florian and Sophie—on a neutral ground. I've mentioned the compelling ones. 

And I also think we need to proceed very carefully here. Not only for 
"community" reasons but also because a lot is at stake beyond our narrow 
concerns.

Louis


On 2011-05-25, at 10:29 , Sophie wrote:

> Hi Florian, all,
> On 25/05/2011 17:00, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>> Hi Louis,
>> 
>> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote on 2011-05-25 14.33:
>>> Thanks, Florian for the long message :-)
>>> But, can I request that we have such advocations (not sure that's a
>>> word) presented in a more neutral space? My reasoning, besides the
>>> obvious, that this is OOo-land, has to do with simply having a
>>> suitable forum for what is likely to be a protracted and contentious
>>> discussion, and that sort of thing calls out for neutrality.
>>> 
>>> I also tend to think that having focused and if possible in-person
>>> meetings is immensely helpful.
>> 
>> as the topic was raised on this public mailing list, and as it concerns
>> the OpenOffice.org Community, I thought it is indeed the right approach
>> to reply publically to the discussion.
>> 
>> The question I raised was not rhetorical. I don't want to say "take TDF
>> as is", but I am open to feedback and criticism. If there is anything
>> that needs to be changed or improved, any criticism that is justified, I
>> definitely will not ignore it, but rather try to work on it and improve
>> things. However, I will also take position to criticism that from my
>> point of view is simply not justified, and I think, that combination is
>> a good basis for a discussion.
>> 
>> So, again, my question to all of the OpenOffice.org community: Is there
>> any particular reason on why working together, jointly, united, is not
>> possible? Is there any justified reason on why working under the
>> umbrella of a different foundation, or even setting up another
>> foundation in parallel, makes sense?
>> 
>> I am open to discussion on any channel -- and although I think that the
>> OpenOffice.org mailing lists are indeed the right channel to discuss the
>> future of the OpenOffice.org community, I am happy to discuss on any
>> other channel. Needless to say, I prefer openness and transparency,
>> whereever possible.
> 
> And of course, I'll support you in this discussion and completely second your 
> point of view and your position here. In the same way, I would be happy to 
> discuss further with the OpenOffice.org community what can be the best done 
> to join both.
> 
>> 
>> Face to face meetings are of course an option, but it will exclude those
>> who cannot participate, so why not initiate the discussion on the list
>> here as I did?
> 
> +1
> 
> Kind regards
> Sophie
> 
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