On 23-Apr-09, at 11:19 PM, Daniel Le Berre wrote:
Jason,
The summary is perfectly correct.
I would add that the author mentions too that your are friends, and
the way the text is written is not offensive.
Good thing you translated. From the title and the Google translated
text I read it as offensive. We are not friends so I would guess an
attempt at sarcasm.
(The author clearly does not agree with current maven development
process, he would like it be more community driven,
but it looks like Maven still has some values on his eyes).
Daniel
Le 24 avr. 09 à 01:52, Jason van Zyl a écrit :
Thanks if that seems like a reasonable translation I will respond.
On 23-Apr-09, at 4:00 PM, Christian Edward Gruber wrote:
My french isn't perfect, but the article basically...
<summary>
...argues against you (Jason) personally having the habit of
imposing dramatic changes by presenting them as a fait-acomplis.
There's a bit of a bill of rights: We have the right to choose
archiva or nexus (which he labels as Jason & Friends' personal
project), the right to replace plexus with XBR?, the right not to
have wagon replaced by the jetty team without discussion (or
something like that), and something about you "offering" to
integrate this person's GWT plugin and have it hosted at sonatype
(with a sarcastic "what an honour" at the end).
Essentially it's an argument that you and your buddies have
created a "putch" and taken over what should be an egalitarian,
apache-itarian project. But it's now your little pet project (you
and your friends). There's a bit about Eugene's being excluded
because he doesn't have the same high-profile as the rest of the
team, etc.
He believes in the potential, even if M3 looks like far-off
promise, but he's got a problem with the attitude of the core
group. He thinks Maven's going the way of JBoss and Spring and
becoming a "closed" opensource project. The whole thing's nearly
entirely under the control of the Sonatype people... how long
until a "Maven Pro" comes out?
If things continue this way, he's going to have to revisit Ant and
Ivy.
</summary>
Fun fun fun. My own 2c... I don't care if Sonatype, codehaus, or
an anarchic comune develops it, as long as they're responsive to
bright ideas from the community and keep it open source. As far
as I can tell, Jason, Brett, John, Emmanuel, and a host of others
have done awesome things. I don't see Nexus as nefariously
excluding Archiva, nor any other maven-launched projects like
Continuum, etc. I just see this all as churn in the community as
different ideas are tried. As long as we're not locked in, I
have no problems with that. I know no one asked my opinion, but
there it is.
cheers
Christian.
Could someone who speaks French please translate this for me
before I respond:
http://blog.loof.fr/
I'm not a native French speaker so I won't speculate, but if
someone would translate I would like to respond.
Thanks,
Jason
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