Hi guys, The previous translation sounds good, far better that any english I could write by myself, as you may notice in following lines ;).
First of all, this blog was not expected to be offensive. If you consider it such please accept my apology, and feel free to attach any comment to expose your point of view. My blog is only for personnal opinions and uses a caricatural style to get reader post comments. If I hurted you I can post an eratum with my apologies, this was not expected to be read at first degree. For this reason I choosed this title in relation with current finantial activities around SUN & Java During JUG sessions, many people ask me about maven roadmap, and how the project development is planed. Most of them are not used with professional opensource, and ask me how a company like Sonatype can get money from opensource. This blog article has been written in reply to such discutions. It tries to reflect how Sonatype guys work full-time on maven 3 and related ecosystem to be "the maven company". As you may notice, I compare this business model to Spring and JBoss way to opensource : open license, project open to contribution, but project lead "hosted" by a company. As Daniel said, I really like Maven, I really like the maven 3 roadmap you described (the post was also a way to link to the video). I also don't like the current dev process : "release early, release often" - it tooks 6 month between two minor maven 2.0 release, we hardly got a maven 2.1 build. I don't say people here are not activelly contributing : the dev community is working hard and I myslef hardly find time to contribute significantly. I just thing we miss a good roadmap plan. Maven 2.x just have one from few time, maven 3 is still a "will be great, bu when" project. Please post any comment you feel usefull for users to understand your idea of maven future. Thanks all Cheers, Nicolas 2009/4/24 Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> > > On 23-Apr-09, at 11:19 PM, Daniel Le Berre wrote: > > Jason, >> >> The summary is perfectly correct. >> >> I would add that the author mentions too that your are friends, and the >> way the text is written is not offensive. >> > > Good thing you translated. From the title and the Google translated text I > read it as offensive. We are not friends so I would guess an attempt at > sarcasm. > > > (The author clearly does not agree with current maven development process, >> he would like it be more community driven, >> but it looks like Maven still has some values on his eyes). >> >> Daniel >> >> Le 24 avr. 09 à 01:52, Jason van Zyl a écrit : >> >> >>> Thanks if that seems like a reasonable translation I will respond. >>> >>> On 23-Apr-09, at 4:00 PM, Christian Edward Gruber wrote: >>> >>> My french isn't perfect, but the article basically... >>>> >>>> <summary> >>>> >>>> ...argues against you (Jason) personally having the habit of imposing >>>> dramatic changes by presenting them as a fait-acomplis. >>>> >>>> There's a bit of a bill of rights: We have the right to choose archiva >>>> or nexus (which he labels as Jason & Friends' personal project), the right >>>> to replace plexus with XBR?, the right not to have wagon replaced by the >>>> jetty team without discussion (or something like that), and something about >>>> you "offering" to integrate this person's GWT plugin and have it hosted at >>>> sonatype (with a sarcastic "what an honour" at the end). >>>> >>>> Essentially it's an argument that you and your buddies have created a >>>> "putch" and taken over what should be an egalitarian, apache-itarian >>>> project. But it's now your little pet project (you and your friends). >>>> There's a bit about Eugene's being excluded because he doesn't have the >>>> same high-profile as the rest of the team, etc. >>>> >>>> He believes in the potential, even if M3 looks like far-off promise, >>>> but he's got a problem with the attitude of the core group. He thinks >>>> Maven's going the way of JBoss and Spring and becoming a "closed" >>>> opensource >>>> project. The whole thing's nearly entirely under the control of the >>>> Sonatype people... how long until a "Maven Pro" comes out? >>>> >>>> If things continue this way, he's going to have to revisit Ant and Ivy. >>>> >>>> </summary> >>>> >>>> Fun fun fun. My own 2c... I don't care if Sonatype, codehaus, or an >>>> anarchic comune develops it, as long as they're responsive to bright ideas >>>> from the community and keep it open source. As far as I can tell, Jason, >>>> Brett, John, Emmanuel, and a host of others have done awesome things. I >>>> don't see Nexus as nefariously excluding Archiva, nor any other >>>> maven-launched projects like Continuum, etc. I just see this all as churn >>>> in the community as different ideas are tried. As long as we're not >>>> locked in, I have no problems with that. I know no one asked my opinion, >>>> but there it is. >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> Christian. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Could someone who speaks French please translate this for me before I >>>>> respond: >>>>> >>>>> http://blog.loof.fr/ >>>>> >>>>> I'm not a native French speaker so I won't speculate, but if someone >>>>> would translate I would like to respond. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Jason van Zyl >>>>> Founder, Apache Maven >>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> What matters is not ideas, but the people who have them. Good people >>>>> can fix bad ideas, but good ideas can't save bad people. >>>>> >>>>> -- Paul Graham >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Christian Edward Gruber >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.geekinasuit.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> Jason van Zyl >>> Founder, Apache Maven >>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> A man enjoys his work when he understands the whole and when he >>> is responsible for the quality of the whole >>> >>> -- Christopher Alexander, A Pattern Language >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> > Thanks, > > Jason > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Jason van Zyl > Founder, Apache Maven > http://twitter.com/jvanzyl > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational > and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. > > -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > >
