This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't remember) to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid according to the HTML spec.
I see the same issue rising up with this feature. I think we should always render the "most valid" possible markup, according to the markup type of the page (html, xhtml, html5 and preferably strict). Even if the JSF spec doesn't check generated HTML, I think we still need to generate good stuff. Having said this, I feel the developer should explicitly enable HTML5 support. "required" and "placeholder" attributes should never be written to the client on a html4/xhtml1 page. This should be an explicit choice of the developer. Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but we should be very careful with those things. They often lead to lead to a mess. Once the HTML5 spec is final, I think we should consider refactoring all HTML5 stuff into a separate RenderKit. My 2 cents... /JK 2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <martin.marinsc...@gmail.com> > Hi guys, > > > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we can > set > > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input. > > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is > > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted. > > > > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> since > it > > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used > for > > this. > > > > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if > <h:inputText > > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by > > > > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with > > rendering "required" element attribute if set; > > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use > optional > > HTML5. > > > > Is this possible? > > I would rather go with a context parameter. > > > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as Jakob > > said. > > yes > > > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to > > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which > fits > > in the discussed case is "required". > > let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should > not be named HTML 5, but rather something like > RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think. > > >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. > > > > Yeah, I think so. > > whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;) > > best regards, > > Martin > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <jakob.korh...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> I like Martin's idea. > >> > >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5 > >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has to > be > >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Jakob > >> > >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek > >>> <mmarinsc...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > Hi Ali, > >>> > > >>> > great that you start out with this! > >>> > > >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support > >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute - > >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out, > >>> > if necessary. > >>> > >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing > >>> > >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be > >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new > >>> > namespace, as you suggested. > >>> > >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this > >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible. > >>> > >>> > > >>> > best regards, > >>> > > >>> > Martin > >>> > > >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread: > >>> >>> > http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html > >>> >>> > >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some > work > >>> >>> has already been done on that. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> You're right. > >>> >> Removed it. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr > >>> >> <jakob.korh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> Hi, > >>> >>> > >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :) > >>> >>> > >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a > >>> >>> parent > >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc" > >>> >>> labeled) > >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would > create > >>> >>> all > >>> >>> the > >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project issue. > >>> >>> So we > >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> GSoC 2010 > >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit > >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit > >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit > >>> >>> ... > >>> >>> --GSoC project #2 > >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2 > >>> >>> ... > >>> >>> > >>> >>> What do you think? > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Regards, > >>> >>> Jakob > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> One thing, > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some > >>> >>>> work > >>> >>>> has already been done on that. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> -Matthias > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> > wrote: > >>> >>>> > Hi, > >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews. > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more appropriate > >>> >>>> >> for > >>> >>>> >> the > >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx > >>> >>>> >> sounds > >>> >>>> >> like > >>> >>>> HTML > >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension. > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct. > >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool > >>> >>>> > prefix > >>> >>>> later > >>> >>>> > :) > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out): > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits > >>> >>>> >> best. > >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > Thanks :) > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > Regards, > >>> >>>> > --Ali > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf > >>> >>>> > <mat...@apache.org > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > wrote: > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> OK, > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out): > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits > >>> >>>> >> best. > >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> -Matthias > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < > >>> >>>> mat...@apache.org> > >>> >>>> >> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> > Ah, > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > interesting: > >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it. > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets: > >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010 > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries. > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA > ticket. > >>> >>>> >> > After > >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel > >>> >>>> >> > <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :) > >>> >>>> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> /JK > >>> >>>> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-) > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will > >>> >>>> >> >>> bring > >>> >>>> >> >>> this > >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira. > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel > >>> >>>> >> >>> <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good. > >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more > >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate > >>> >>>> for > >>> >>>> >> >>> > the > >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. > >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not > >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an > >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension. > >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards, > >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees > >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civ...@gmail.com> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali! > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <brunoara...@gmail.com> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too! > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <mat...@apache.org > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali, > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me. > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ? > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote: > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi, > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here : > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5 > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback? > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC wiki. > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards, > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > -- > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -- > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> -- > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC > >>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org > >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> > > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> -- > >>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf > >>> >>>> >> >>> > >>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> >> > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > -- > >>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> >> > > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> -- > >>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf > >>> >>>> >> > >>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > -- > >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> -- > >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > >>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > > >>> > http://www.irian.at > >>> > > >>> > Your JSF powerhouse - > >>> > JSF Consulting, Development and > >>> > Courses in English and German > >>> > > >>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Matthias Wessendorf > >>> > >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.irian.at > > Your JSF powerhouse - > JSF Consulting, Development and > Courses in English and German > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >
