FYI http://java.sun.com/javaee/javaserverfaces/2.0/docs/api/javax/faces/component/NamingContainer.html#SEPARATOR_CHAR
is deprecated now On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: > This reminds me of something else I reported (or supported, can't remember) > to the EG a while ago. It was about the ID naming separator, which is a > colon. This colon is invalid and may cause issues with W3C, but I've also > heard of people who had JavaScript issues with it. Anyway it's invalid > according to the HTML spec. right, but wasn't understood at the time of writing the JSF spec ;-) > > I see the same issue rising up with this feature. I think we should always > render the "most valid" possible markup, according to the markup type of the > page (html, xhtml, html5 and preferably strict). Even if the JSF spec > doesn't check generated HTML, I think we still need to generate good stuff. yes, but TCK is not unimportant; we can always bring up issues, to the EG. This has NEVER been a big problem, so I'd stick with that way! > > Having said this, I feel the developer should explicitly enable HTML5 > support. "required" and "placeholder" attributes should never be written to > the client on a html4/xhtml1 page. This should be an explicit choice of the > developer. placeholder is a no-go anyway. If someone adds the <hx:xyz> components (that target html5), I don't see a reason to do baby-sitting :-) the required can be via flag, as said before > > Regarding the configuration style, I support the context-param idea, but we > should be very careful with those things. They often lead to lead to a mess. > Once the HTML5 spec is final, I think we should consider refactoring all > HTML5 stuff into a separate RenderKit. I think the GSOC proposal does speak of a HTML5_RenderKit :-) Not sure how that differs from your point. Martin just said something like "if possible, add html5 stuff already today" (however that is possible) -Matthias > > My 2 cents... > > /JK > > > 2010/3/23 Martin Marinschek <martin.marinsc...@gmail.com> >> >> Hi guys, >> >> > "placeholder" attribute of "input" element: With this attribute, we can >> > set >> > a placeholder text that is shown if there is nothing typed into input. >> > New "required" attribute of "input" element : If this is set, input is >> > validated against emptyness before the form is submitted. >> > >> > Placeholder: We cannot add a placeholder attribute on <h:inputText> >> > since it >> > is not defined on spec, and no current component attribute can be used >> > for >> > this. >> > >> > Required: We can totally render HTML5 "required" attribute if >> > <h:inputText >> > required="true">. IMHO, we can do this by >> > >> > Writing a new renderer for <h:inputText> that extends current one with >> > rendering "required" element attribute if set; >> > And telling users to register this new renderer if they want to use >> > optional >> > HTML5. >> > >> > Is this possible? >> >> I would rather go with a context parameter. >> >> > Or, we can do this by using an optional HTML5 context parameter, as >> > Jakob >> > said. >> >> yes >> >> > Another thing: there are very few new features that can be applied to >> > current components without breaking the spec. May be the only one which >> > fits >> > in the discussed case is "required". >> >> let´s see if we only have this one - then the context parameter should >> not be named HTML 5, but rather something like >> RENDER_REQUIRED_ATTRIBUTES - I think. >> >> >> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. >> > >> > Yeah, I think so. >> >> whenever is more appropriate and causes less work (for the core team ;) >> >> best regards, >> >> Martin >> >> > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Jakob Korherr <jakob.korh...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I like Martin's idea. >> >> >> >> If it would make some parts of the TCK fail, we could introduce a HTML5 >> >> config parameter to make the HTML5 features work. Of course, this has >> >> to be >> >> turned off by default in order to make the TCK work. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Jakob >> >> >> >> 2010/3/23 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Martin Marinschek >> >>> <mmarinsc...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> > Hi Ali, >> >>> > >> >>> > great that you start out with this! >> >>> > >> >>> > I am not sure, but wouldn't it be good to have some of this support >> >>> > already in MyFaces, the implementation? Like the required attribute >> >>> > - >> >>> > shouldn't we have our core inputs already render this attribute out, >> >>> > if necessary. >> >>> >> >>> not sure if the TCK does some HTML parsing >> >>> >> >>> > I think this would be nice. Everything which can not be >> >>> > covered by our standard implementations should of course be in a new >> >>> > namespace, as you suggested. >> >>> >> >>> IMO it's fine to "merge" stuff during/after GSOC. or do you think this >> >>> should be directly done on the IMPL, if possible. >> >>> >> >>> > >> >>> > best regards, >> >>> > >> >>> > Martin >> >>> > >> >>> > On 3/22/10, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I see you you refering to this thread: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some >> >>> >> work >> >>> >>> has already been done on that. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> You're right. >> >>> >> Removed it. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Jakob Korherr >> >>> >> <jakob.korh...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Hi, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> This all looks very fine to me - great work :) >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> About the grouping (or "sub-tasking"): It would be cool to have a >> >>> >>> parent >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 issue with all the GSoC projects as ("mentor" and "gsoc" >> >>> >>> labeled) >> >>> >>> sub-tasks. Furthermore it would be cool if each student would >> >>> >>> create >> >>> >>> all >> >>> >>> the >> >>> >>> things he wants to do as sub-task issues of his GSoC project >> >>> >>> issue. >> >>> >>> So we >> >>> >>> would have a hierarchy that looks like this: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> GSoC 2010 >> >>> >>> --HTML 5 RenderKit >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of HTML 5 RenderKit >> >>> >>> ----issue #2 of HTML 5 RenderKit >> >>> >>> ... >> >>> >>> --GSoC project #2 >> >>> >>> ----issue #1 of GSoC project #2 >> >>> >>> ... >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> What do you think? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Regards, >> >>> >>> Jakob >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> One thing, >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> I see you you refering to this thread: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> http://old.nabble.com/-GSOC--HTML5-Renderkit-Start-up-td27748075.html >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> I am not sure if that is good - folks may get the impression some >> >>> >>>> work >> >>> >>>> has already been done on that. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> > Hi, >> >>> >>>> > Thank you all for your reviews. >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more >> >>> >>>> >> appropriate >> >>> >>>> >> for >> >>> >>>> >> the >> >>> >>>> >> library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. hx >> >>> >>>> >> sounds >> >>> >>>> >> like >> >>> >>>> HTML >> >>> >>>> >> extensions to me and HTML5 is not really an extension. >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > Yeah, correct. >> >>> >>>> > You know, no problem changing it. I am sure we can find a cool >> >>> >>>> > prefix >> >>> >>>> later >> >>> >>>> > :) >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out): >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits >> >>> >>>> >> best. >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > Thanks :) >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > Regards, >> >>> >>>> > --Ali >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >>>> > <mat...@apache.org >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> OK, >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> raw JIRA ticket (based on the original email that I sent out): >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2617 >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> We will see where to add Ali's content, I mean where it fits >> >>> >>>> >> best. >> >>> >>>> >> Perhaps we just link to his Wiki page? (Not sure yet)... >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> -Matthias >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Matthias Wessendorf < >> >>> >>>> mat...@apache.org> >> >>> >>>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> > Ah, >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > interesting: >> >>> >>>> >> > This is how tomcat does it. >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > They "group" their tickets: >> >>> >>>> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/SummerOfCode2010 >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > and point to the JIRA entries. >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > Ok, so let me move this HTML5 specifc content to a JIRA >> >>> >>>> >> > ticket. >> >>> >>>> >> > After >> >>> >>>> >> > done, I'll create a "grouping" wiki page as well >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > -Matthias >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:43 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel >> >>> >>>> >> > <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >> Yeah, the rest looks very good. :) >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> /JK >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> 2010/3/22 Matthias Wessendorf <mat...@apache.org> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> that's details, for the actual project ;-) >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> BTW. I am just signing up as a mentor, after that I will >> >>> >>>> >> >>> bring >> >>> >>>> >> >>> this >> >>> >>>> >> >>> wiki txt to our jira. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -Matthias >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jan-Kees van Andel >> >>> >>>> >> >>> <jankeesvanan...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Looks good. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Maybe one little thing, the prefix h5 might be more >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > appropriate >> >>> >>>> for >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > the >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > library, even though there is also an html tag named h5. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > hx sounds like HTML extensions to me and HTML5 is not >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > really an >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > extension. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Regards, >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > Jan-Kees >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > 2010/3/22 Cagatay Civici <cagatay.civ...@gmail.com> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Looks good to me as well, Good Luck Ali! >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Bruno Aranda >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> <brunoara...@gmail.com> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> It looks good to me too! >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> Bruno >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> On 22 March 2010 14:11, Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> <mat...@apache.org >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Hi Ali, >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> this looks good to me. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Any other comment ? >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -Matthias >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Ali Ok >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> <al...@aliok.com.tr> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Hi, >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > I've written my GSOC proposal here : >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/GSoC2010_HTML5 >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Could you review it and provide me some feedback? >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > After your feedback, we'll move it to ASF GSoC >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > wiki. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Thanks & Regards, >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Ali >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > -- >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -- >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> Cagatay Civici >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> JSF EG | PrimeFaces Lead | Apache MyFaces PMC >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> http://www.primefaces.org >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >>>> >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>> >>>> >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > -- >> >>> >>>> >> > Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>> >>>> >> > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> -- >> >>> >>>> >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> >>>> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>> >>>> >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > -- >> >>> >>>> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> >>> >>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> -- >> >>> >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>> >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> >>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > >> >>> > http://www.irian.at >> >>> > >> >>> > Your JSF powerhouse - >> >>> > JSF Consulting, Development and >> >>> > Courses in English and German >> >>> > >> >>> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Matthias Wessendorf >> >>> >> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.irian.at >> >> Your JSF powerhouse - >> JSF Consulting, Development and >> Courses in English and German >> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf
