I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup experience.
But maybe something could be introduced into the Welcome Screen, a message like “Make NetBeans look even better here” which pops up the relevant tab in the Options window. Gj On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:07, Alessandro <alex.fala...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > as a confirmation of the VERY subjective perspective, I for one would > like NetBeans having the same default Look and Feel on all platforms, > instead of the OS natives one (still available and switchable by the user). > > At present (NB 8.2, 11.2) I install and switch to Darcula on Linux and > Windows. > > In my opinion, the best thing besides making FlatLaf the default L&F would > be to also show a wizard on first launch asking the users to choose the > variant (Light or Dark). > > This topic could require a user poll to get it right for the majority of > the users. > > Regards, > Alex > > Il giorno mer 22 gen 2020 alle ore 23:57 Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> > ha scritto: > > > We're talking about very, VERY subjective perspectives here. Just > because > > there is a new fad called "flat" doesn't mean it's an improvement. > > Actually, "flat" looks so 1970's ish. Perhaps the fascination with it is > > due to the fact that most of the productive people here either weren't > > alive at that time in computing history or were still too young to > remember > > those days..... > > > > I agree with Mr. Bakke that on Windows and Mac it should still use the os > > native laf as the default. For Linux (where I spend 100% of my > development > > time) I don't care what ships as long as I can make it what I want it to > be > > by merely selecting from a list that includes basic stuff like we've got > > now (i.e. "Metal"). I don't find "dark" or "flat" attractive in the > > least. I DO like colorful icons that make my desktop "attractive". What > > we each think is "attractive" is a very subjective judgement so a variety > > of options is a good thing -- even on Windows and Mac for those who > prefer > > something other than native. > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > > > > > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on > > > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by > > default. > > > > > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the > > same > > > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans > > will > > > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on > > > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls to > > the > > > OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, > > checkboxes, > > > and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS > > > version is currently running. There has also been a lot of improvements > > to > > > the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next > one, > > > especially for HiDPI displays. (See > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements > > > ) > > > > > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and > MacOS > > > is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, > > which > > > does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > > > > > -- Eirik > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John Mc <mcdonnell.j...@gmail.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > > > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like the > > > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job to > > the > > > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > > > > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans 12 > > > onwards? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > John > > > > > >
