Hi Geertjan, my answers below. Il giorno gio 23 gen 2020 alle ore 09:10 Geertjan Wielenga < [email protected]> ha scritto:
> I’d be hesitant about introducing anything that slows the startup > experience. > I meant a wizard shown only on the very first launch of a newly installed NetBeans, it could be used to ask the user to choose other frequently adjusted preferences normally found in the Options dialog. For instance it would be the right place to ask which features he/she would like to activate. But maybe something could be introduced into the Welcome Screen, a message > like “Make NetBeans look even better here” which pops up the relevant tab > in the Options window. > This is another way to have it. Maybe less effective but surely more visible to a newcomer. Gj > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 09:07, Alessandro <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > as a confirmation of the VERY subjective perspective, I for one would > > like NetBeans having the same default Look and Feel on all platforms, > > instead of the OS natives one (still available and switchable by the > user). > > > > At present (NB 8.2, 11.2) I install and switch to Darcula on Linux and > > Windows. > > > > In my opinion, the best thing besides making FlatLaf the default L&F > would > > be to also show a wizard on first launch asking the users to choose the > > variant (Light or Dark). > > > > This topic could require a user poll to get it right for the majority of > > the users. > > > > Regards, > > Alex > > > > Il giorno mer 22 gen 2020 alle ore 23:57 Chuck Davis <[email protected] > > > > ha scritto: > > > > > We're talking about very, VERY subjective perspectives here. Just > > because > > > there is a new fad called "flat" doesn't mean it's an improvement. > > > Actually, "flat" looks so 1970's ish. Perhaps the fascination with it > is > > > due to the fact that most of the productive people here either weren't > > > alive at that time in computing history or were still too young to > > remember > > > those days..... > > > > > > I agree with Mr. Bakke that on Windows and Mac it should still use the > os > > > native laf as the default. For Linux (where I spend 100% of my > > development > > > time) I don't care what ships as long as I can make it what I want it > to > > be > > > by merely selecting from a list that includes basic stuff like we've > got > > > now (i.e. "Metal"). I don't find "dark" or "flat" attractive in the > > > least. I DO like colorful icons that make my desktop "attractive". > What > > > we each think is "attractive" is a very subjective judgement so a > variety > > > of options is a good thing -- even on Windows and Mac for those who > > prefer > > > something other than native. > > > > > > Just my $.02. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:09 PM Eirik Bakke <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think FlatLAF could very well be made the default on Linux. But on > > > > Windows and MacOS, I'd argue we should use the OS-specific LAFs by > > > default. > > > > > > > > On MacOS and Windows, we have very good existing LAFs that follow the > > > same > > > > style as other desktop applications on the same platform. So NetBeans > > > will > > > > look like a native MacOS app on Mac, and like a native Windows app on > > > > Windows. In fact, both the MacOS (Aqua) and Windows LAFs make calls > to > > > the > > > > OS to retrieve real, native graphics for buttons, combo boxes, > > > checkboxes, > > > > and so on. So NetBeans always gets the correct look for whichever OS > > > > version is currently running. There has also been a lot of > improvements > > > to > > > > the Windows and MacOS LAFs over the past few releases, and the next > > one, > > > > especially for HiDPI displays. (See > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/HiDPI+%28Retina%29+improvements > > > > ) > > > > > > > > The fact that NetBeans looks like a native app on both Windows and > > MacOS > > > > is a strong brand differentiator, compared to for instance IntelliJ, > > > which > > > > does not in any way try to stay consistent with the OS look. > > > > > > > > -- Eirik > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: John Mc <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 1:48 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Flat Look and Feel NB12 default? > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > So I started using the latest development builds and I really like > the > > > > progress with the Flat Look and Feel addition for NB11.3. Great job > to > > > the > > > > guys who have done all this work it really looks nice. > > > > > > > > Are there plans to consider making this the default LnF for NetBeans > 12 > > > > onwards? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >
