I'd agree with Geertjan here, no point discussing it. Also those statistics don't show anything, unique visitors to a site is not users.
Regards John On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 14:23, Zoran Sevarac <[email protected]> wrote: > Well although this is not of any practical value, I don't think it's a > waste of time since it's time to put an end on these surveys which can have > a damaging effect on NetBeans growth. > The latest survey from Rebel states 3% for NetBeans. These surveys support > the 'NetBeans is dying' or 'Nobody is using NetBeans anymore' claims and > that can turn away potential new users. > And once we make them do the surveys proper way, we'll become 'The > fastest-growing IDE' instead of the 'The dying IDE'. > Looking at https://pypl.github.io/IDE.html NetBeans is ranked a bit higher > then IntelliJ worldwide, but three times lower in the UK where the majority > of the survey responders came from. > > And by the way, backup is being reported as a country in these download > statistics that Emilian sent. > > Cheers > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:06 PM Geertjan Wielenga <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I'd be in favor of not wasting time on the discussion anymore -- and > focus > > on more useful things right now. :-) > > > > Gj > > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:03 PM Zoran Sevarac <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Emilian thanks for sending these statistics. Interesting to see top 10 > > > countries for downloads. > > > > > > US 14742 > > > IN 11315 > > > CN 8579 > > > BR 7943 > > > ES 5931 > > > RU 5856 > > > MX 5552 > > > ID 4790 > > > DE 4771 > > > IT 4281 > > > > > > By the way this info will help to show that surveys showing only 10% of > > > NetBeans for Java IDEs are false. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:29 AM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > NetBeans January 202 statistics > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 8:12 AM Emilian Bold <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NetBeans december 2019 statistics > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:59 PM Emilian Bold < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, so the server was just renamed? Any of the older data > available > > > > somewhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:06 PM Daniel Gruno < > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 01/12/2019 10.52, Emilian Bold wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as I can see https://blocky.apache.org/exports does > not > > > > exist > > > > > > > > anymore. Any other place for download statistics that one can > > > > access? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://uls.apache.org/exports/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see COMDEV-310 is still open. Does NetBeans have a Snoot > > > account? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --emi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 4:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Hi all, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> @Neil C Smith <[email protected]> and I met at FOSDEM > > today > > > > with our > > > > > > > >> Apache NetBeans mentor @Daniel Gruno <[email protected] > >, > > > and > > > > he > > > > > > > >> mentioned the publicly available stats here that are > gathered > > > per > > > > month, on > > > > > > > >> xxxx.apache.org websites, such as netbeans.apache.org -- > > makes > > > > for > > > > > > > >> interesting reading: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> https://blocky.apache.org/exports > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Unique visitors, page views, most visited pages, top > > referrers, > > > > geomapping > > > > > > > >> -- all available. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> He also mentioned: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Snoot+Statistics > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Stats related to the above are here: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> https://projects.apache.org/statistics.html > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> But as indicated in the Wiki link above, we can ask for our > > own > > > > account for > > > > > > > >> more details, as I did here: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-310 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Gj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, > visit: > > > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor > > > University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department > > for > > > Software Engineering > > > Java Champion < > > https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions> > > > | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts < > http://www.deepnetts.com > > > > > > Co-founder & CEO > > > > > > > > -- > Zoran Sevarac, PhD, Associate Professor > University of Belgrade, Faculty of Organisational Sciences, Department for > Software Engineering > Java Champion <https://community.oracle.com/community/java/java-champions> > | Oracle Groundbreaker Ambassador | Deep Netts <http://www.deepnetts.com> > Co-founder & CEO >
