Well, it’s specifically about editing Java source files, in a project that uses any JDK, when NetBeans itself is running on JDK 8. Under these conditions, nb-javac is a requirement — specifically when editing Java source files, i.e., when using the Java editor. You can still build, test, run, etc.
Gj On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:58, Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > No, not at all! > > I just confused the "what JDK the IDE is running on" vs. "what JDK the > project is compiled with" when interpreting your proposed restriction. > > Ideally, a warning should be shown to a user if they try to use a JDK 8 > project while running the IDE on a JDK that does not support this. It's a > little unintuitive to have to juggle two JDKs here, but that seems a > reasonable price to pay if the user really wants to work with a project > that must compile with an old JDK. > > -- Eirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:53 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Re: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 > > Hopefully that’s not sarcasm. :-) > > Gj > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:43, Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > > > Oh, now I get it. So you can still compile projects with JDK 8 and use > > the editor, but you must run the IDE itself on JDK 14, and with no > > nb-javac (to make JDK 8 projects work). > > > > That actually seems very reasonable! > > > > -- Eirik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:29 PM > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > > Subject: Re: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 > > > > Yes, the Java editor uses the JDK 14 javac if it runs on that JDK — > > even if the build of a particular project uses JDK 8 or anything else. > > > > Gj > > > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:25, Scott Palmer <swpal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Just my 2 cents... I am all for NB having great first-class support > > > for development of projects that use Java 8, but I don’t care if I’m > > > forced to run NB itself with JDK-14. > > > I realize that some have projects based on the NB platform that > > > they want to run on Java 8. I think if you are in that situation, > > > you have to decide to keep with an older version of the NB platform > > > because we can’t hold the platform back to Java 8 compatibility > forever. > > > > > > That being said, I would like to be able to change the default JDK > > > for projects so it is a different JDK than what NB is running on. > > > Having to go through most of my projects and explicitly flip them to > > > use JDK > > > 8 is a minor pain, and it also makes sharing the project with a team > > > a little more awkward as well. They need additional configuration in > > > NB so the right JDK can be found and we have to share NB project > > > files that otherwise don’t need to go into the project’s source repo. > > > > > > What is unclear to me, and it seems I’m not alone, is if NB is > > > running on > > > JDK-14 without nb-javac, what do we miss when working on a project > > > that builds with JDK-8? Can the NB editor not use JDK-14’s javac > > > even tough the build runs with JDK-8? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > > > > <geert...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You're not going to find me arguing against good support for Java 8. > > > > However, as stated above, we anticipate that nb-javac will not be > > > > ready > > > in > > > > time for the 12.0 release. > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:46 PM Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be that > > > >>> we > > > >> explicitly tell our users that they can’t use our Java Editor if > > > >> they’re running NetBeans on JDK 8. > > > >> > > > >> I think it's too early to drop first-class support for Java 8, > > > >> for the same reasons people listed in the earlier "Pull the plug > > > >> from Java 8 in 12.1?" thread. > > > >> > > > >> Good support for Java 8 is a feature, and an important one for an > > > >> IDE > > > that > > > >> is primarily associated with the Java ecosystem. > > > >> > > > >> Eirik > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:47 AM > > > >> To: dev <dev@netbeans.apache.org> > > > >> Subject: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 > > > >> > > > >> Hi all, > > > >> > > > >> We’re getting close to the 12.0 release and nb-javac won’t be > > > >> available > > > at > > > >> the time of release. What nb-javac provides is detailed elsewhere > > > >> but in summary it is a fork of the javac finetuned to the Java > > > >> Editor in NetBeans. It can’t be donated to Apache NetBeans > > > >> because it is a javac > > > fork > > > >> and hence GPL licensed, so Oracle does not want to donate it and > > > >> Apache projects can’t be released with it. > > > >> > > > >> Ultimately, we’d like to drop the need for nb-javac completely. > > > >> That > > > will > > > >> simplify things a lot. Plus, that is increasingly possible > > > >> because from > > > JDK > > > >> 9 onwards we’re able to use the javac from the JDK that NetBeans > > > >> runs on for the same purposes as nb-javac. > > > >> > > > >> And we’ve (especially Jan Lahoda) been enhancing Apache NetBeans > > > >> over > > > the > > > >> past releases to enable the vanilla javac from the JDK on which > > > >> NetBeans runs to be used increasingly better. And ultimately, of > > > >> course, this > > > should > > > >> not be based on the JDK on which NetBeans runs, but on the JDK > > > >> used by a particular project. > > > >> > > > >> Anyway, there have been one or two pull requests around the > > > >> above, such > > > as > > > >> this one: > > > >> > > > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2108 > > > >> > > > >> A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be that > > > >> we explicitly tell our users that they can’t use our Java Editor > > > >> if they’re running NetBeans on JDK 8. I’m not saying that we > > > >> should drop support > > > for > > > >> JDK 8. I’m saying we should show a message that the user should > > > >> switch > > > to > > > >> the latest supported JDK for running NetBeans itself on (which of > > > >> course does not mean that a project can’t use any earlier JDK). > > > >> > > > >> Anyway, comments and thoughts welcome. > > > >> > > > >> Gj > > > >> > > > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> -- > > > >> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > >> > > > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+list > > > >> s > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
