Absolutely true. But at this point a new user is unlikely to get started by downloading JDK 8.
Gj On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 19:50, Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > Sure. Though I think the user would be surprised if > editing/code-completion just silently doesn't work, when building/running > does. There needs to be a message of some sort, recommending running the > IDE on a later JDK. > > Otherwise we risk having users go "Well, I tried NetBeans once, and it > didn't work very well", or "but it doesn't do code completion like Eclipse > does", without knowing that there was a specific fixable problem. > > -- Eirik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 1:08 PM > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > Subject: Re: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 > > Well, it’s specifically about editing Java source files, in a project that > uses any JDK, when NetBeans itself is running on JDK 8. Under these > conditions, nb-javac is a requirement — specifically when editing Java > source files, i.e., when using the Java editor. You can still build, test, > run, etc. > > Gj > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:58, Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > > > No, not at all! > > > > I just confused the "what JDK the IDE is running on" vs. "what JDK the > > project is compiled with" when interpreting your proposed restriction. > > > > Ideally, a warning should be shown to a user if they try to use a JDK > > 8 project while running the IDE on a JDK that does not support this. > > It's a little unintuitive to have to juggle two JDKs here, but that > > seems a reasonable price to pay if the user really wants to work with > > a project that must compile with an old JDK. > > > > -- Eirik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:53 PM > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > > Subject: Re: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 > > > > Hopefully that’s not sarcasm. :-) > > > > Gj > > > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:43, Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > > > > > Oh, now I get it. So you can still compile projects with JDK 8 and > > > use the editor, but you must run the IDE itself on JDK 14, and with > > > no nb-javac (to make JDK 8 projects work). > > > > > > That actually seems very reasonable! > > > > > > -- Eirik > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:29 PM > > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 > > > > > > Yes, the Java editor uses the JDK 14 javac if it runs on that JDK — > > > even if the build of a particular project uses JDK 8 or anything else. > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 at 18:25, Scott Palmer <swpal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... I am all for NB having great first-class > > > > support for development of projects that use Java 8, but I don’t > > > > care if I’m forced to run NB itself with JDK-14. > > > > I realize that some have projects based on the NB platform that > > > > they want to run on Java 8. I think if you are in that situation, > > > > you have to decide to keep with an older version of the NB > > > > platform because we can’t hold the platform back to Java 8 > > > > compatibility > > forever. > > > > > > > > That being said, I would like to be able to change the default JDK > > > > for projects so it is a different JDK than what NB is running on. > > > > Having to go through most of my projects and explicitly flip them > > > > to use JDK > > > > 8 is a minor pain, and it also makes sharing the project with a > > > > team a little more awkward as well. They need additional > > > > configuration in NB so the right JDK can be found and we have to > > > > share NB project files that otherwise don’t need to go into the > project’s source repo. > > > > > > > > What is unclear to me, and it seems I’m not alone, is if NB is > > > > running on > > > > JDK-14 without nb-javac, what do we miss when working on a project > > > > that builds with JDK-8? Can the NB editor not use JDK-14’s javac > > > > even tough the build runs with JDK-8? > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > > > > > <geert...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You're not going to find me arguing against good support for Java > 8. > > > > > However, as stated above, we anticipate that nb-javac will not > > > > > be ready > > > > in > > > > > time for the 12.0 release. > > > > > > > > > > Gj > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:46 PM Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be > > > > >>> that we > > > > >> explicitly tell our users that they can’t use our Java Editor > > > > >> if they’re running NetBeans on JDK 8. > > > > >> > > > > >> I think it's too early to drop first-class support for Java 8, > > > > >> for the same reasons people listed in the earlier "Pull the > > > > >> plug from Java 8 in 12.1?" thread. > > > > >> > > > > >> Good support for Java 8 is a feature, and an important one for > > > > >> an IDE > > > > that > > > > >> is primarily associated with the Java ecosystem. > > > > >> > > > > >> Eirik > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:47 AM > > > > >> To: dev <dev@netbeans.apache.org> > > > > >> Subject: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 > > > > >> > > > > >> Hi all, > > > > >> > > > > >> We’re getting close to the 12.0 release and nb-javac won’t be > > > > >> available > > > > at > > > > >> the time of release. What nb-javac provides is detailed > > > > >> elsewhere but in summary it is a fork of the javac finetuned > > > > >> to the Java Editor in NetBeans. It can’t be donated to Apache > > > > >> NetBeans because it is a javac > > > > fork > > > > >> and hence GPL licensed, so Oracle does not want to donate it > > > > >> and Apache projects can’t be released with it. > > > > >> > > > > >> Ultimately, we’d like to drop the need for nb-javac completely. > > > > >> That > > > > will > > > > >> simplify things a lot. Plus, that is increasingly possible > > > > >> because from > > > > JDK > > > > >> 9 onwards we’re able to use the javac from the JDK that > > > > >> NetBeans runs on for the same purposes as nb-javac. > > > > >> > > > > >> And we’ve (especially Jan Lahoda) been enhancing Apache > > > > >> NetBeans over > > > > the > > > > >> past releases to enable the vanilla javac from the JDK on which > > > > >> NetBeans runs to be used increasingly better. And ultimately, > > > > >> of course, this > > > > should > > > > >> not be based on the JDK on which NetBeans runs, but on the JDK > > > > >> used by a particular project. > > > > >> > > > > >> Anyway, there have been one or two pull requests around the > > > > >> above, such > > > > as > > > > >> this one: > > > > >> > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2108 > > > > >> > > > > >> A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be > > > > >> that we explicitly tell our users that they can’t use our Java > > > > >> Editor if they’re running NetBeans on JDK 8. I’m not saying > > > > >> that we should drop support > > > > for > > > > >> JDK 8. I’m saying we should show a message that the user should > > > > >> switch > > > > to > > > > >> the latest supported JDK for running NetBeans itself on (which > > > > >> of course does not mean that a project can’t use any earlier JDK). > > > > >> > > > > >> Anyway, comments and thoughts welcome. > > > > >> > > > > >> Gj > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> -- > > > > >> -- > > > > >> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > >> > > > > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+li > > > > >> st > > > > >> s > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org > > > > > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
