Just my 2 cents... I am all for NB having great first-class support for development of projects that use Java 8, but I don’t care if I’m forced to run NB itself with JDK-14. I realize that some have projects based on the NB platform that they want to run on Java 8. I think if you are in that situation, you have to decide to keep with an older version of the NB platform because we can’t hold the platform back to Java 8 compatibility forever.
That being said, I would like to be able to change the default JDK for projects so it is a different JDK than what NB is running on. Having to go through most of my projects and explicitly flip them to use JDK 8 is a minor pain, and it also makes sharing the project with a team a little more awkward as well. They need additional configuration in NB so the right JDK can be found and we have to share NB project files that otherwise don’t need to go into the project’s source repo. What is unclear to me, and it seems I’m not alone, is if NB is running on JDK-14 without nb-javac, what do we miss when working on a project that builds with JDK-8? Can the NB editor not use JDK-14’s javac even tough the build runs with JDK-8? Scott > On Apr 28, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> wrote: > > You're not going to find me arguing against good support for Java 8. > However, as stated above, we anticipate that nb-javac will not be ready in > time for the 12.0 release. > > Gj > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:46 PM Eirik Bakke <eba...@ultorg.com> wrote: > >>> A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be that we >> explicitly tell our users that they can’t use our Java Editor if they’re >> running NetBeans on JDK 8. >> >> I think it's too early to drop first-class support for Java 8, for the >> same reasons people listed in the earlier "Pull the plug from Java 8 in >> 12.1?" thread. >> >> Good support for Java 8 is a feature, and an important one for an IDE that >> is primarily associated with the Java ecosystem. >> >> Eirik >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2020 2:47 AM >> To: dev <dev@netbeans.apache.org> >> Subject: nb-javac and the upcoming 12.0 >> >> Hi all, >> >> We’re getting close to the 12.0 release and nb-javac won’t be available at >> the time of release. What nb-javac provides is detailed elsewhere but in >> summary it is a fork of the javac finetuned to the Java Editor in >> NetBeans. It can’t be donated to Apache NetBeans because it is a javac fork >> and hence GPL licensed, so Oracle does not want to donate it and Apache >> projects can’t be released with it. >> >> Ultimately, we’d like to drop the need for nb-javac completely. That will >> simplify things a lot. Plus, that is increasingly possible because from JDK >> 9 onwards we’re able to use the javac from the JDK that NetBeans runs on >> for the same purposes as nb-javac. >> >> And we’ve (especially Jan Lahoda) been enhancing Apache NetBeans over the >> past releases to enable the vanilla javac from the JDK on which NetBeans >> runs to be used increasingly better. And ultimately, of course, this should >> not be based on the JDK on which NetBeans runs, but on the JDK used by a >> particular project. >> >> Anyway, there have been one or two pull requests around the above, such as >> this one: >> >> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2108 >> >> A question is what about JDK 8. My bold suggestion would be that we >> explicitly tell our users that they can’t use our Java Editor if they’re >> running NetBeans on JDK 8. I’m not saying that we should drop support for >> JDK 8. I’m saying we should show a message that the user should switch to >> the latest supported JDK for running NetBeans itself on (which of course >> does not mean that a project can’t use any earlier JDK). >> >> Anyway, comments and thoughts welcome. >> >> Gj >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
